BTCC Knockhill - 14th August
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A great day's racing all round, with the second BTCC race being the pick of the bunch. And the only crime of note that I saw was Petrescu foolishly letting his temper getting the better of him in the F4 race - hopefully the swift and harsh punishment will mean he learns his lesson, because he's a good driver with a lot of potential.
emicen said:
How bloody tall is The Wookie by the way?!
A proper height! I do feel a bit awkward when we go to races and in flat shoes I am taller than almost all the drivers 😊I've been out today so only just finished watching the last race, I think I held my breath through most of it, great job by Jackson to keep the lead.
The usual suspects seemed to be involved in the incidents today, Martin, Lines, Howard, it sounds like it might be a long list of penalties again.
Also good to have Newsham back showing what that car could do.
VictoriaYorks said:
A proper height! I do feel a bit awkward when we go to races and in flat shoes I am taller than almost all the drivers ??
I've been out today so only just finished watching the last race, I think I held my breath through most of it, great job by Jackson to keep the lead.
The usual suspects seemed to be involved in the incidents today, Martin, Lines, Howard, it sounds like it might be a long list of penalties again.
Also good to have Newsham back showing what that car could do.
He is a bit tall - saw him briefly at the autograph session! However, to parapharase a fictional blues-man - today, if it wasn't for bad luck, he'd have had no luck at all.I've been out today so only just finished watching the last race, I think I held my breath through most of it, great job by Jackson to keep the lead.
The usual suspects seemed to be involved in the incidents today, Martin, Lines, Howard, it sounds like it might be a long list of penalties again.
Also good to have Newsham back showing what that car could do.
The penalty list is quite a long one - suprised that Turkington was singled out for the race three incident.
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/08/14/colin-tu...
ker and then moan lots about the other bloke, you can make the stewards believe it, BTCC is going the same way as F1 I'll need to see it again, but I thought Turkington was very late to stick his nose in there. It didn't look to me as if there was a pass on.
On saying that I initially thought that Collard could have made a better effort to separate the cars. He seemed to keep moving over after he regained control.
A replay might change might my opinion..
On saying that I initially thought that Collard could have made a better effort to separate the cars. He seemed to keep moving over after he regained control.
A replay might change might my opinion..
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 14th August 23:12
Whilst I don't think it's half as bad as Collard is making out, Turkington needs to put his hands up and acknowledge the move was not on and he didn't manage to back out. At Clarks you need to get pretty much fully alongside under braking or that is always going to be the outcome. He went front wheel in to rear wheel, has no claim to the corner and should have said sorry.
I'm saying that as someone who has been to the Clerk of the Course for the same scenario at the same corner.
I'm saying that as someone who has been to the Clerk of the Course for the same scenario at the same corner.
Driver101 said:
I'll need to see it again, but I thought Turkington was very late to stick his nose in there. It didn't look to me as if there was a pass on.
On saying that I initially thought that Collard could have made a better effort to separate the cars. He seemed to keep moving over after he regained control.
A replay might change might my opinion..
The contact broke the steering on the BMW so suspect Rob couldn't do much about itOn saying that I initially thought that Collard could have made a better effort to separate the cars. He seemed to keep moving over after he regained control.
A replay might change might my opinion..
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 14th August 23:12
Northern_Monkey said:
Driver101 said:
I'll need to see it again, but I thought Turkington was very late to stick his nose in there. It didn't look to me as if there was a pass on.
On saying that I initially thought that Collard could have made a better effort to separate the cars. He seemed to keep moving over after he regained control.
A replay might change might my opinion..
The contact broke the steering on the BMW so suspect Rob couldn't do much about itOn saying that I initially thought that Collard could have made a better effort to separate the cars. He seemed to keep moving over after he regained control.
A replay might change might my opinion..
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 14th August 23:12
On the TV interview, Collard claimed the initial contact broke a toe link and he could do anything about it from then on. First pic in the article above shows his rear toe link looking just fine. Suspect the breakage came when he gave it back to Turkington on the exit of the corner.
Turks was pulling the senna type of move all day at that corner get out of the way or you be involved in a crash it worked until he meet collard with it being to early in the race feel the right decision was made to penalise turks.
Thought neal deserved a penality against morgan that was just a blatant punt and surprise surprise lines/stewart and howard involved in the same accident.
Thought neal deserved a penality against morgan that was just a blatant punt and surprise surprise lines/stewart and howard involved in the same accident.
http://www.btcc.net/2016/08/17/gow-responds-to-pla...
Alan Gow said:
BTCC Series Director, Alan Gow, has today strongly reacted to comments made by Jason Plato to the media at Knockhill last weekend (13/14 August).
The Silverline Subaru BMR Racing driver made remarks to the media and during ITV4’s live television coverage, suggesting that the engine performance in his Subaru Levorg is being hampered by the engine equivalency process.
“I’m just astounded at this latest round of moaning by Jason,” said Alan Gow.
“The fact of the matter is that he and his team would not be at anywhere near their current performance level, had it not been for the efforts of TOCA, all the BTCC teams and the Engine Technical Review Panel (ETRP).
“As their performances at the first two events highlighted, their inlet manifold originally homologated was just not capable of delivering the engine performance that their boost level was set to give. They would have had no choice but to make do with what they had for three years – the engine regulations state that certain major components, such as the inlet manifold, cannot be changed for a three-year period.
“But purely through the good graces of TOCA, along with all competing BTCC teams and engine builders agreeing to it, they were given a waiver and the unique opportunity of correcting their performance issue. Since fitting this new manifold and camshaft their performances have been nothing short of extraordinary; achieving three out of four pole positions, winning four races, achieving 15 podiums and setting three fastest laps.
“So for Jason to still complain and infer that they have not been given the “right level of performance” is simply bizarre. It’s actually borderline offensive – not only to TOCA, but to all other BTCC teams and engine builders who all agreed to assist them. Had it not been for this unique cooperation and agreement, their car would have remained far less competitive than it now is.
“With their current level of success I would have thought Jason would be thanking TOCA, the teams and the engine builders… but sadly not and he has prodded this subject too often for me to just sit back and not respond. However, I will be interested to hear if the thoughts of Team BMR Subaru also reflect those of Jason’s…”
The Silverline Subaru BMR Racing driver made remarks to the media and during ITV4’s live television coverage, suggesting that the engine performance in his Subaru Levorg is being hampered by the engine equivalency process.
“I’m just astounded at this latest round of moaning by Jason,” said Alan Gow.
“The fact of the matter is that he and his team would not be at anywhere near their current performance level, had it not been for the efforts of TOCA, all the BTCC teams and the Engine Technical Review Panel (ETRP).
“As their performances at the first two events highlighted, their inlet manifold originally homologated was just not capable of delivering the engine performance that their boost level was set to give. They would have had no choice but to make do with what they had for three years – the engine regulations state that certain major components, such as the inlet manifold, cannot be changed for a three-year period.
“But purely through the good graces of TOCA, along with all competing BTCC teams and engine builders agreeing to it, they were given a waiver and the unique opportunity of correcting their performance issue. Since fitting this new manifold and camshaft their performances have been nothing short of extraordinary; achieving three out of four pole positions, winning four races, achieving 15 podiums and setting three fastest laps.
“So for Jason to still complain and infer that they have not been given the “right level of performance” is simply bizarre. It’s actually borderline offensive – not only to TOCA, but to all other BTCC teams and engine builders who all agreed to assist them. Had it not been for this unique cooperation and agreement, their car would have remained far less competitive than it now is.
“With their current level of success I would have thought Jason would be thanking TOCA, the teams and the engine builders… but sadly not and he has prodded this subject too often for me to just sit back and not respond. However, I will be interested to hear if the thoughts of Team BMR Subaru also reflect those of Jason’s…”
This is why my admiration for Mat Jackson is growing, he just gets on with it and I hope he has a better run of consistent results towards the end of the season to mount a proper title challenge. No moaning about boost or he did this and he did that when things don't go his way. Race three was a proper masterclass, which even Plato couldn't hold up.
Janesy B said:
This is why my admiration for Mat Jackson is growing, he just gets on with it and I hope he has a better run of consistent results towards the end of the season to mount a proper title challenge. No moaning about boost or he did this and he did that when things don't go his way. Race three was a proper masterclass, which even Plato couldn't hold up.
I'm sure Mat wouldn't be complaining. It's the Motorbase cars that are benefitting from the boost levels right now. rubystone said:
Janesy B said:
This is why my admiration for Mat Jackson is growing, he just gets on with it and I hope he has a better run of consistent results towards the end of the season to mount a proper title challenge. No moaning about boost or he did this and he did that when things don't go his way. Race three was a proper masterclass, which even Plato couldn't hold up.
I'm sure Mat wouldn't be complaining. It's the Motorbase cars that are benefitting from the boost levels right now. They are all as bad as each other so nothing new. Plato is doing is pr stunt keeping him/Subaru/bmr in the news ideal for the sponsers.
MG CHRIS said:
Im sure I remember both the team and drivers moaning about power after oulton park so they are the same. Did chuckle when tordoff and plato was side by side when plato asked tordoff about it could just see tordoff thinking wtf do I say here.
They are all as bad as each other so nothing new. Plato is doing is pr stunt keeping him/Subaru/bmr in the news ideal for the sponsers.
If you look at the speed traps (from Knockhill and probably all previous rounds this year) the Motorbase Focuses (Focii?) are always up the top. The Subarus aren't particularly slow, and going by their recent form they certainly don't need more boost because the handling advantage they have compensates. The works Hondas are really slow in a straight line, but I'm enjoying seeing them struggle because Neal and Shedden drive through everyone and get away with it. They are all as bad as each other so nothing new. Plato is doing is pr stunt keeping him/Subaru/bmr in the news ideal for the sponsers.
EDIT: From TouringCarTimes on Twitter - Straight line speeds into the hairpin from Race 1 at Knockhill:
Edited by Samwich on Thursday 18th August 00:25
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