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df76

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1,567 posts

200 months

Friday 6th January
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And TV coverage of the WRC should improve, certainly will be free:

http://www.newspress.co.uk/public/ViewPressRelease...

Not sure what the Channel 5 coverage will be, if any??

Jerry Can

1,995 posts

145 months

Saturday 7th January
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DelicaL400 said:
Jerry Can said:
Motor clubs really are not doing anything to help National and Club rallying. They need better people quite frankly, sure the MC members are honest and work hard, but they are political and full of people who have never really achieved in life. They love their rallying, but lack significant entrepreneurial skills. In any case, the BRC should be run, and all rallies organised, by one group of people who may then be able to make the numbers work. That is in essence the difference between rally and racing. They might even be able to be paid.
I wonder how much rallying there'd be if all these non-achieving motor club members stopped giving up their time to put on events. None I think.

Do you recall the BRC when Mark Taylor and his chums were paid to organise/promote it?
There is a whole world of difference between running a Clubbie at an airfield or similar and running a national or international event. MC's do have their place running grass roots motor sport, however they are long past having the capability, financial or otherwise, particularly with the amount of time it takes to organise and run an international event. It would be better for one well capable motor club to run the whole BRC, with a couple of members of that club being paid to do so.

DelicaL400

168 posts

33 months

Saturday 7th January
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Jerry Can said:
It would be better for one well capable motor club to run the whole BRC, with a couple of members of that club being paid to do so.
So you're meaning one team to run the events in one championship rather than all rallies? That's not how I read your first post. This model is used in offroad championships such as NORC and BCCC but it's still ultimately a club of volunteers who are putting on the events/championship.

I'm not sure entry fees would be viable if a team of organisers had to be paid. Even it is was a "couple of members" it'd be another £50k on the costs at least. And is a couple realistic? Just thinking of championships I'm aware of you have a clerk of course, deputy clerk, safety officer, chief marshal, entries secretary, start/finish crews, marshals/radio marshals etc. The championship needs all of those to run and all give up a lot of their time and money. So if one is paid shouldn't they all be?

Jerry Can

1,995 posts

145 months

Saturday 7th January
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DelicaL400 said:
So you're meaning one team to run the events in one championship rather than all rallies? That's not how I read your first post. This model is used in offroad championships such as NORC and BCCC but it's still ultimately a club of volunteers who are putting on the events/championship.

I'm not sure entry fees would be viable if a team of organisers had to be paid. Even it is was a "couple of members" it'd be another £50k on the costs at least. And is a couple realistic? Just thinking of championships I'm aware of you have a clerk of course, deputy clerk, safety officer, chief marshal, entries secretary, start/finish crews, marshals/radio marshals etc. The championship needs all of those to run and all give up a lot of their time and money. So if one is paid shouldn't they all be?
No, not every one should be paid. A couple of people to run and organise the rallies, do most of the donkey work, liasion with land owners, insurances, root planning etc. Leaning on the clubs that run the rallies for detail 'on the ground' support.

the MSA needs to bankroll the events so they happen, build some momentum, rationalise championships, reducing the number of rallies, coordinate it better, so that there are more available competitors for each event thus upping entries.

However I am bored of all this, I had my fill of MC's a couple of years ago, and they are all going to die off in the next 10-15 years. Now is the time to prepare for that and reorganise how an event comes to fruition. Won't happen tho.

DelicaL400

168 posts

33 months

Saturday 7th January
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Jerry Can said:
the MSA needs to bankroll the events so they happen
But they've only got £10.3m of reserves in their accounts, how would they afford to do something to actually help rallying?!!
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DelicaL400

168 posts

33 months

Tuesday 10th January
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Jim Clark rally cancelled now too frown

FredericRobinson

1,245 posts

154 months

Tuesday 10th January
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Sad, but inevitable.

Alex Langheck

760 posts

51 months

Tuesday 10th January
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Another event cancelled - just what are the MSA doing to help rallying? Hello, is there anybody there? All you get is statements/ sound bites from them.

GravelBen

12,916 posts

152 months

Wednesday 11th January
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You know, PH rally threads always make me appreciate how good rallying is here in NZ!

confucuis

990 posts

46 months

Wednesday 11th January
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GravelBen said:
You know, PH rally threads always make me appreciate how good rallying is here in NZ!
And here in Ireland too!

velocemitch

2,326 posts

142 months

Wednesday 11th January
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confucuis said:
GravelBen said:
You know, PH rally threads always make me appreciate how good rallying is here in NZ!
And here in Ireland too!
Got your (Irish) insurance premium yet then?

confucuis

990 posts

46 months

Wednesday 11th January
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velocemitch said:
Got your (Irish) insurance premium yet then?
Nope, there's a big meeting being held over it soon enough. The entry fee's are going to go up again (it's already around 1000 euro to the Galway International this February).

Insurance in Ireland has gone completely mental. Axa and Aviva won't insure any road car 14 years or older on a first time policy!

Iva Barchetta

30,646 posts

85 months

Thursday 12th January
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I know the OP put in a link to the Monte entry but only just seen that mad Frankie Delecour is back in RGT class in 1 of 3 Fiat 124 Abarths.
Interesting.

Allyc85

6,488 posts

108 months

Thursday 12th January
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Yeah looking forward to seeing him in it. Don't think he will stand much chance against Dumas in the 911 though!

Iva Barchetta

30,646 posts

85 months

Saturday 14th January
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Anyone going to Brands Hatch winter stages next Saturday 21st ?

I should be there.

Hopefully it'll warm up a bit first.

Slippydiff

9,069 posts

145 months

GravelBen

12,916 posts

152 months

Sunday 15th January
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Slippydiff said:
Looking a lot better than it did a month ago!

Allyc85

6,488 posts

108 months

Sunday 15th January
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And sounds savage on the overrun! biggrin

Jerry Can

1,995 posts

145 months

Sunday 15th January
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GravelBen said:
Slippydiff said:
Looking a lot better than it did a month ago!
I'm starting to facny that Toyboata a bit. I reckon as it stands at the moment, the Hyundai is the weakest car out there.

The championship is between Meeke, very fast, but makes a few mistakes, Ogier, very fast, no mistakes but not in the quickest car ( at least at year end) and.... Latvala, plenty of seat time, well resourced, may win a few at year end. Unfortunately I can't see the Hyundai being the fastest car or driver/car combo at any point in the season. Not long till we find out.

GravelBen

12,916 posts

152 months

Sunday 15th January
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Jerry Can said:
I reckon as it stands at the moment, the Hyundai is the weakest car out there.
I would have said the Ford looks the weakest/least developed so far.

Should be an interesting season anyway! thumbup