BTCC - Round Two - Donington Park

BTCC - Round Two - Donington Park

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EDLT

15,421 posts

207 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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If Ash Sutton keeps driving like that he'll have to move to another team next year.

Samwich

263 posts

137 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Shedden failed ride height...











rofl

l354uge

2,895 posts

122 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Team dynamics claiming its due to race damage... Suuuure

Willhire89

1,329 posts

206 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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l354uge said:
Team dynamics claiming its due to race damage... Suuuure
Agreed - miscalc on the wear rates of wet tyres more likely........

alsaautomotive

684 posts

201 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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steve-5snwi said:
Was it a Honda ?
Rob Collard......who did apologise post race.
Shame 'cause we had a stonking Race3.....from 31st to provisional 13th smile

ols

Original Poster:

118 posts

136 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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It could have been damage caused in an earlier race - sure, but anything that has a large impact on ride height will also have an impact on the centre of gravity and give a clear advantage...

l354uge

2,895 posts

122 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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swooshiain

377 posts

98 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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l354uge said:
Indeed - because he was hit from behind. Their claim is that there was damage to the car from when Cook hit the car from behind before the red flag, and this is what has affected the ride height. Whether that is the case or not, I don't know - I'm not a scrutineer.

ols

Original Poster:

118 posts

136 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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l354uge said:
The damage (if any) would be more chassis, subframe, suspension etc, rather than bodywork. They may not have been able to check if the damage itself was caused before the first red flag, not sure if they can tweak and refine suspension settings whilst on the grid for a restart, but rules are rules.

l354uge

2,895 posts

122 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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I find it hard to believe any chassis damage bad enough to change the ride height won't stop you winning a race by 5 seconds... But that's for the toca delegate to decide

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Apart from the red flagged first lap,I missed race 3.

Did Shedden keep the win or not ?

BTCC site doesn't mention any exclusion.

Samwich

263 posts

137 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Official BTCC twitter account had just confirmed Shedden''s exclusion.

Nice win for Turks there, but gutted for Newsham.

FourWheelDrift

88,551 posts

285 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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lucido grigio said:
Apart from the red flagged first lap,I missed race 3.

Did Shedden keep the win or not ?

BTCC site doesn't mention any exclusion.
Excluded - https://twitter.com/DunlopBTCC/status/853684105283...

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Thanks......biggrin

Robmarriott

2,641 posts

159 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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The scrutineers will take any accident damage into consideration.

That infringement is not from accident damage.

I've seen it on other championships where the cars have to drive over something of 75mm height (or whatever the regs say), but again, if the car was damaged and something was forced downward, exhaust for example, following a rear end shunt, the scrutineers would have accounted for it.

This is just an example of good old rule bending and they've been caught!

swooshiain

377 posts

98 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Robmarriott said:
The scrutineers will take any accident damage into consideration.

That infringement is not from accident damage.

I've seen it on other championships where the cars have to drive over something of 75mm height (or whatever the regs say), but again, if the car was damaged and something was forced downward, exhaust for example, following a rear end shunt, the scrutineers would have accounted for it.

This is just an example of good old rule bending and they've been caught!
I dunno. It's possible, certainly, but I don't think they're so dumb that they would deliberately give the car too low a ride height in a race they had an excellent chance to win - it's literally the first thing that's checked when you pull into parc ferme. I think it's more likely someone made a mistake, and I would say the same about Sutton's overboost problem yesterday. Sophisticated rule-bending has gone on for for years in motorsport - I just don't see big high-profile teams cheating that incompetently.

oobster

7,100 posts

212 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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Any update on Billy monger?

Robmarriott

2,641 posts

159 months

Sunday 16th April 2017
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There's no way it's from crash damage.

If it wasn't blatant cheating, it was a miscalculation.

Sutton and Cook were excluded last year for rear wing angle... someone presumably measured it wrong.

This would probably have been someone setting the ride height on the wet setup using last years notes, this years tyre is wider but may have a lower sidewall profile, that could have made the difference and it's an easy mistake to make, the mechanics are human after all!

You also need to bear in mind everyone in this championship runs the cars as close to the regs as they can, they'll be as low as they can to the mm, theyll run them as close to minimum weigh as they can, calculating fuel loads and everything to get them as light as they can, after the race when they checks are done, sometimes they've guessed incorrectly and it's too low, too light, not got enough wing or has too much boost.

It happens in every championship under the sun, exclusion from a race due to invisible crash damage doesn't!

airbusA346

785 posts

154 months

Monday 17th April 2017
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oobster said:
Any update on Billy monger?
Only official release I have seen is...

http://www.btcc.net/2017/04/16/statement-on-behalf...

zeb

3,202 posts

219 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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l354uge said:
Team dynamics claiming its due to race damage... Suuuure
The only way it would have crash damage would be from the shedden/neal classic passing move of bashing someone up the arse to pass.......

karma's a bh aint it......