BTCC - Round Three - Thruxton
Discussion
markcoznottz said:
What about 70's style nets? Would work ok with drivers using hans now
Catch fencing caused more problems than it solved - drivers being hit on the head by the supporting wooden posts, which is, I believe, what killed Marcel Albers at Thruxton in an F3 race, cars being entangled in fencing trapping the driver, length of time taken to replace the fencing, etc, etc.Dermot O'Logical said:
markcoznottz said:
What about 70's style nets? Would work ok with drivers using hans now
Catch fencing caused more problems than it solved - drivers being hit on the head by the supporting wooden posts, which is, I believe, what killed Marcel Albers at Thruxton in an F3 race, cars being entangled in fencing trapping the driver, length of time taken to replace the fencing, etc, etc.
Or multiple layers of tyres with a rubber belt and gap between like this.
FourWheelDrift said:
Techpro barriers infront of the armco, just like they use at Monaco for the F1 or at other street races. F1 cars can go under them but touring cars won't.
Or multiple layers of tyres with a rubber belt and gap between like this.
It's not about a head on stop like those though is it. That was the point made by the guy from the circuit who was taking on the grid.Or multiple layers of tyres with a rubber belt and gap between like this.
The car hit the barrier at a shallower angle, say 45 degrees. Anything that decelerates one side of the car, will cause it to violently spin. Even the barrier today spun it 180. This effect he said was thought by the MSA to be bad for some reason he didn't elaborate on. I'm going to guess it's thought to be bad for the squidgy pink thing in the car. But without knowing what it is they are worried about, it's hard to know why they are making the decision they are.
ols said:
Lloyd not happy with the new barrier setup at Church. He is right - nowhere near enough run off straight into armco. Most cars will be doing 100mph+ around Church and if everything goes pear shaped, an off is going to hurt (at best). Better than the "launch ramp" we have seen over the last couple of years, but considering that over the last couple of years, many cars have left the circuit at church, it would make sense to have something a little bit softer to hit when a car inevitably leaves the circuit.
He is right to raise this as an issue one of the quickest corners in the UK and it's got a stubble field for run off then a solid barrier with no tyre wall - crazy.Even with 3 red flags in 2 races, that was a most enjoyable day in the sun watching race cars.
Great not to have the races ruined by punctures, I don't think there was 1 failure was there?
Glad to see all walk away from big impacts, as mentioned the new runoff at Church basically looks unfinished and not fit for purpose!
How many laps down was Lloyd when he rejoined at slow pace and caused a collision with an unsighted Davenport? Was one hell of a bang, and could have been so much worse!
Left straight after race 3 and was out on the road to the A303 within 5 minutes, a miracle! It's amazing how much easier it is when car drivers work together, and merge in turn properly.
Great not to have the races ruined by punctures, I don't think there was 1 failure was there?
Glad to see all walk away from big impacts, as mentioned the new runoff at Church basically looks unfinished and not fit for purpose!
How many laps down was Lloyd when he rejoined at slow pace and caused a collision with an unsighted Davenport? Was one hell of a bang, and could have been so much worse!
Left straight after race 3 and was out on the road to the A303 within 5 minutes, a miracle! It's amazing how much easier it is when car drivers work together, and merge in turn properly.
Speed Badger said:
Not a happy camper;
Is that an apology for his poor driving?Is that an apology for effectively sacking turkingon last year who would probably be up with sutton and therefore have 2 cars doing well?
Sutton(who is new to rwd touring cars) is driving very well both in qualifying and the 3 races and giving plenty of exposure to the sponsors and brand so his whinge about Toca rules doesn't hold water.
acer12 said:
Is that an apology for his poor driving?
Sutton(who is new to rwd touring cars) is driving very well both in qualifying and the 3 races and giving plenty of exposure to the sponsors and brand so his whinge about Toca rules doesn't hold water.
Problem is your argument doesn't hold water either...a driver of Jason's experience doesn't simply forget how to drive overnight....Sutton(who is new to rwd touring cars) is driving very well both in qualifying and the 3 races and giving plenty of exposure to the sponsors and brand so his whinge about Toca rules doesn't hold water.
...Jason has played games in the past but simply sandbagging/ throwing the towel in until the rules are reversed couldn't be the case here...could it?!
At Donington Sutton drove through the field from last on the grid to get a podium and set the 2nd fastest lap in race 2.
At Thruxton Suttons Subaru qualified at the sharp end and was fastest of all RWD cars, beating all the BMWs qualifying times.
He set the fastest lap of everyone in race 1 and set the 4th fastest lap in race 3, again beating all the BMWs lap times in both those races.
So obviously that Subaru is super quick with the right driver (Sutton).
Maybe the other three drivers just havent found the driving style sweet spot required.
At Thruxton Suttons Subaru qualified at the sharp end and was fastest of all RWD cars, beating all the BMWs qualifying times.
He set the fastest lap of everyone in race 1 and set the 4th fastest lap in race 3, again beating all the BMWs lap times in both those races.
So obviously that Subaru is super quick with the right driver (Sutton).
Maybe the other three drivers just havent found the driving style sweet spot required.
Not sure what's going on with him, I actually went round the outside of him at Noble, I was half backed out of it at the turn in expecting him to give me some grief but he was already out of it and pretty much let me have it.
Not sure if he's lost his mojo or he's trying to make a point, but it doesn't really work when your team mate is up the field
As for the barriers... I'm amazed that they've managed to make it at least as dangerous as it was before
Not sure if he's lost his mojo or he's trying to make a point, but it doesn't really work when your team mate is up the field
As for the barriers... I'm amazed that they've managed to make it at least as dangerous as it was before
The Wookie said:
Not sure what's going on with him, I actually went round the outside of him at Noble, I was half backed out of it at the turn in expecting him to give me some grief but he was already out of it and pretty much let me have it.
Not sure if he's lost his mojo or he's trying to make a point, but it doesn't really work when your team mate is up the field
As for the barriers... I'm amazed that they've managed to make it at least as dangerous as it was before
That's what I don't get. The cynical side of me says he is trying to make a point that without him doing as many interviews, being up at the sharp end, without suburus competitive the BTCC brand is damaged somehow, so by going slowly he is taking his image away from Gow/ toca/ the btcc.. problem is like you say when 1 teammate is near the front it defeats the object....but I can't see Jason being stupid enough to play games like that with sponsors, the team etc. Hes too old and wise to play those sort of games and let one of your team mates do so well (surely the team would ensure all cars were that slow)Not sure if he's lost his mojo or he's trying to make a point, but it doesn't really work when your team mate is up the field
As for the barriers... I'm amazed that they've managed to make it at least as dangerous as it was before
As for the barriers I'm surprised the MSA didn't pick it up prior to the event and insist on tyre walls
One argument could be that he just isn't very good in a rear wheel drive car. Look at events like Goodwood where a lot of other BTCC drivers are battling at the front and he's nowhere, and that's pretty much always a field of rear wheel drive cars and with much more sideways behaviour than the Subaru will have.
BMR said:
Does the boost still get re calculated after 3 rounds? They've let Sutton do his best but the other 3 are deliberately bringing down the the average of the car
One is a rookie though and the other is James Cole who was nowhere when the car was up at the front last year though so Plato aside not much has changed driver wise. Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff