BTCC - Oulton Park - Rounds 10, 11, 12
Discussion
k but BMR don't have anywhere near enough to money to reshell it so they're doing all they can to get it running straight. Obviously that isn't working! Sebring440 said:
Where do you get this stuff from?
Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
What 'professional' team are you referring to?Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
rubystone said:
Sebring440 said:
Where do you get this stuff from?
Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
What 'professional' team are you referring to?Why would a professional team compromise things by not jigging the shell after a major impact? It's the first thing they do.
Tell us one instance that you know of. "Apparently" doesn't cut it.
ols said:
DanielSan said:
Heavy only testing Sutton's car to see if they can understand what's up with his isn't he?
From what I have read, he is testing in Sutton's car alongside his to understand why he is having more problems in his own. I don't think the plan is for him to pinch Sutton's car, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did 
Northern_Monkey said:
The MG Ash Sutton crashed at Snetterton last season raced on with a twist in the chassis. That twist is still there now Dan Lloyd has taken over the car following his shunt at Thruxton.
How?!I don't mean how is it bent, I mean how is it not fixed a year on?
It's incredible that someone who fields 6 cars in the premier tin top series in the UK can't actually afford to maintain the cars properly, it's not some sort of grass roots, club level series, it's the BTCC!
I also don't see how a replacement shell is prohibitively expensive, I've been up close and personal with the Eurotech cars and they're not all that, the cage is nice and it's all TIG welded so I get there's a load of hours in that but other than that the shells aren't overly complicated.
I get that there will be a load of time in moving parts from one shell to another too but BMR/888 will employ all of their staff full time regardless and after every round the cars are stripped back and re-assembled anyway so that doesn't cost any more.
Something doesn't add up in my head, the whole thing seems weird.
There is a huge difference 'between a standard shell & a touring car shell - roof panel and side panels excepting it's pretty much a bespoke vehicle. My understanding post Simon's large shunt at Thruxton 2015 was that fabrication & repair before it came to us for prep & paint was WELL into a five figure sum.
alsaautomotive said:
There is a huge difference 'between a standard shell & a touring car shell - roof panel and side panels excepting it's pretty much a bespoke vehicle. My understanding post Simon's large shunt at Thruxton 2015 was that fabrication & repair before it came to us for prep & paint was WELL into a five figure sum.
I seem to remember "The Wookie" saying NGTC cars (as they were known) are basically a spaceframe/rollcage that's taking the bodyshell along for the ride. (Not a perfect quote)Not quite what I meant, also the cage being the main structure of the car means that there's a fair amount of fab involved, plus it has to be integrated into the shell. Ok it's not the full from scratch job that something like a WRC car is but not exactly a five bob job
I'd expect a shell to be 30-50k, but the real issue is time, they're not the work of a moment to churn out, and few teams are happy or capable of sitting on that much cash
I'd expect a shell to be 30-50k, but the real issue is time, they're not the work of a moment to churn out, and few teams are happy or capable of sitting on that much cash
My point is Plato is likely getting a huge cut from the Subaru deal(he has to fund his rockstar lifestyle!), it looks like too much as the team can't function, seriously a team of that size should have budget for a few shellls if they are running 4 cars.
Does he need to forego some of this cash for a new shell?
At the end of the day it's his reputation that is getting damaged. At this stage he wouldn't have a hope of bringing another manufacture into the BTCC with the selling point that he will win races / get the tv interviews
Does he need to forego some of this cash for a new shell?
At the end of the day it's his reputation that is getting damaged. At this stage he wouldn't have a hope of bringing another manufacture into the BTCC with the selling point that he will win races / get the tv interviews
alsaautomotive said:
There is a huge difference 'between a standard shell & a touring car shell - roof panel and side panels excepting it's pretty much a bespoke vehicle. My understanding post Simon's large shunt at Thruxton 2015 was that fabrication & repair before it came to us for prep & paint was WELL into a five figure sum.
I'm more than aware of how the cars are built, I worked for a company who are involved with Eurotech and I've been in, around and underneath them.They might be a little further from a road car but even so, 'WELL into a five figure sum' should not stop a team running 6 cars from replacing a shell.
The Clio Cup cars are quite often reshelled and a bare, caged shell from Renault with doors, boot and bonnet is somewhere around £7k, from what I've heard from one of the teams (who I also used to work for)
The Wookie said:
Not quite what I meant, also the cage being the main structure of the car means that there's a fair amount of fab involved, plus it has to be integrated into the shell. Ok it's not the full from scratch job that something like a WRC car is but not exactly a five bob job
I'd expect a shell to be 30-50k, but the real issue is time, they're not the work of a moment to churn out, and few teams are happy or capable of sitting on that much cash
Exactly, for all intents and purposes the cage itself is just a cage, the only real difference is the attachment points through the bulkhead for the subframe, probably some sheet metal for the exhaust tunnel and the boot floor.I'd expect a shell to be 30-50k, but the real issue is time, they're not the work of a moment to churn out, and few teams are happy or capable of sitting on that much cash
I'm not saying they're easy or quick to put together at all, just that you'd expect more from a BTCC team.
That said, I know from experience that everyone wants the cheapest price for everything when it comes to motorsport!
Robmarriott said:
alsaautomotive said:
There is a huge difference 'between a standard shell & a touring car shell - roof panel and side panels excepting it's pretty much a bespoke vehicle. My understanding post Simon's large shunt at Thruxton 2015 was that fabrication & repair before it came to us for prep & paint was WELL into a five figure sum.
I'm more than aware of how the cars are built, I worked for a company who are involved with Eurotech and I've been in, around and underneath them.They might be a little further from a road car but even so, 'WELL into a five figure sum' should not stop a team running 6 cars from replacing a shell.
The Clio Cup cars are quite often reshelled and a bare, caged shell from Renault with doors, boot and bonnet is somewhere around £7k, from what I've heard from one of the teams (who I also used to work for)
EDLT said:
With Clio Cup cars being used across Europe it's going to be cheaper per unit. I don't think anyone else uses BTCC cars, aside from club/classic racers using old models. Even so, BMR is supposedly backed by Subaru and has four cars, two of which run around in the main incident zone of the pack, they should have at least one spare shell just because it was clearly going to be needed at some point.
Subaru supply the shells but do not 'back' the team. As to the sponsors, it's very clear that Plato brings the title ones to the team. Even before the start of the season (last October to be precise) the rumour mill was alive with stories that BMR owed suppliers money, including Paul O'Neill ironically. The late announcement of drivers and the release of Turkington who is not known for bringing money to a team, could support those rumours. And as such the team would have started the season on the back foot. I'm assuming they make the MGs and Passat pay for themselves though (or did they sell the Passats to another team?)rubystone said:
EDLT said:
With Clio Cup cars being used across Europe it's going to be cheaper per unit. I don't think anyone else uses BTCC cars, aside from club/classic racers using old models. Even so, BMR is supposedly backed by Subaru and has four cars, two of which run around in the main incident zone of the pack, they should have at least one spare shell just because it was clearly going to be needed at some point.
Subaru supply the shells but do not 'back' the team. As to the sponsors, it's very clear that Plato brings the title ones to the team. Even before the start of the season (last October to be precise) the rumour mill was alive with stories that BMR owed suppliers money, including Paul O'Neill ironically. The late announcement of drivers and the release of Turkington who is not known for bringing money to a team, could support those rumours. And as such the team would have started the season on the back foot. I'm assuming they make the MGs and Passat pay for themselves though (or did they sell the Passats to another team?)rubystone said:
EDLT said:
With Clio Cup cars being used across Europe it's going to be cheaper per unit. I don't think anyone else uses BTCC cars, aside from club/classic racers using old models. Even so, BMR is supposedly backed by Subaru and has four cars, two of which run around in the main incident zone of the pack, they should have at least one spare shell just because it was clearly going to be needed at some point.
Subaru supply the shells but do not 'back' the team. As to the sponsors, it's very clear that Plato brings the title ones to the team. Even before the start of the season (last October to be precise) the rumour mill was alive with stories that BMR owed suppliers money, including Paul O'Neill ironically. The late announcement of drivers and the release of Turkington who is not known for bringing money to a team, could support those rumours. And as such the team would have started the season on the back foot. I'm assuming they make the MGs and Passat pay for themselves though (or did they sell the Passats to another team?)Triple Eight quit the Btcc!
http://www.tripleeight.co.uk/2017-06-triple-eight-...
EDIT: No they don't I need to learn to read again
http://www.tripleeight.co.uk/2017-06-triple-eight-...
EDIT: No they don't I need to learn to read again
Edited by Allyc85 on Monday 5th June 20:20
Allyc85 said:
That says Daniel Lloyd is leaving and they will announce a replacement driver later. Not the team.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff