BTCC - Oulton Park - Rounds 10, 11, 12

BTCC - Oulton Park - Rounds 10, 11, 12

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Allyc85

7,225 posts

186 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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Yeah I kind of misread that...

swooshiain

377 posts

97 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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Some quotes from Lloyd:

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“This year was a big investment year for me and my backers,” said Lloyd. “I was so excited to have joined the MG line-up for the 2017. Unfortunately the results have led to us already losing a number of sponsors for this season, and this has forced us to make the very difficult decision to walk away from the BTCC for the time-being.”

“As a racing driver, all I want to do is compete, however the facts of modern motorsport are that it takes a lot of funding to race,” he added

“Even with the fantastic backing that is in place from MG, I still need to bring a lot of sponsors to the table, and with the results as they stand, continuing with the RCIB squad would put any future hopes of racing at risk.”
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I guess he doesn't think the car is going to improve. Another sign of a funding problem in Warren Scott's garage?

Robmarriott

2,638 posts

158 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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Dan had the same issue with Eurotech, loss of sponsors meant he had to leave the team and go to Carrera Cup.

On the face of it this is a funding issue on his part but I dare say that stems from the MGs being underfunded by 888 if you pick at the bones a little.

rallycross

12,794 posts

237 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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Robmarriott said:
Dan had the same issue with Eurotech, loss of sponsors meant he had to leave the team and go to Carrera Cup.

On the face of it this is a funding issue on his part but I dare say that stems from the MGs being underfunded by 888 if you pick at the bones a little.
Compared to last year they are having a terrible season, results wise,.

rubystone

11,254 posts

259 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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Allyc85 said:
Again, a member of the BMR stable who bought the team. They got more than just the cars and equipment too.

acer12

961 posts

174 months

Monday 5th June 2017
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Is the team / sub team sustainable with one entry?

It will be hard to find another driver with the funds at this stage.

Also assume loyds car will need rebuilding, could be linked to his withdrawal

The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Brace yourselves for musical chairs

jamiebae

6,245 posts

211 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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The Wookie said:
Brace yourselves for musical chairs
And so it begins....

https://www.motorsport.com/btcc/news/cook-rejoins-...

I'm not totally sure why you'd swap a Focus for an MG6 but I guess it's a bigger budget team and he got a chunky discount on the drive.

DanielSan

18,796 posts

167 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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He did do well in the MG last year to be fair, I know it was mentioned in commentary that the cars have been slower at some circuits than they were last year but is that down to development or the drivers?

shake n bake

2,221 posts

207 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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The Wookie said:
Brace yourselves for musical chairs
Where you off to then? laugh


MG CHRIS

9,084 posts

167 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Werent the mg last year running a mix of old ngtc spec suspension and the mew rml kit and worked pretty good, where as this year changed everything to the new spec part. Could be the reason of lack of performance specially with new drivers.

Can't see the cars or 888 as a name remaining for long and can see bmr struggling to keep 4 Subaru going. Gown would welcome the tbl back so maybe this is his strange way of getting tbl back for another team possibly to enter next year. He has made it clear he doesn't want teams with more than 3 cars last season but had no option with bmr/888 as they already had them.

The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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shake n bake said:
Where you off to then? laugh
BMW obviously... hehe

DanielSan

18,796 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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The Wookie said:
BMW obviously... hehe
You have to be quicker than Plato in the Subaru before you get moved to WSR. Those are the rules hehe

The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Well I've beaten him a few times this year, does that count hehe

jamiebae

6,245 posts

211 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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The discussions re JP putting his hand in his pocket are interesting. He's a very smart businessman and extremely good at selling his brand to partners but I doubt he actually takes a salary from the team. If you look at the personal sponsors on his helmet they will be paying a small six figure sum in total which is effectively his salary. The bigger team deals will be contingent on him being in the car (Flux, for example) and a proportion will be paid to him for brokering the deal but this is what is funding his drive.

As for the rockstar lifestyle and helicopter, I think the heli is a deal with Augusta Westland and probably quid-pro-quo where he has X hours a year in return for a few days of his time, a sticker or two and a few days of corporate entertainment.

He also has his marketing business (Brandpilot) which I guess makes some money and allows him to live like he does. He does have a very nice house and some good toys but after 10+ years as a pro driver in the big budget manufacturer era he will have earned a huge pile of cash and require a rather lower income to maintain the lifestyle now.

At the moment he doesn't look great but I think everyone knows the car is bent and really that makes it the team's job to sort it rather than his so it's reflecting worse on BMR than him. I know he sticks to BTCC as it minimises his travel and means he can work on other business interests in the week where other race series would mean jetting all over the place and driving on Fridays too but just like Gio he isn't going to do it unless he's getting paid somehow.

DanielSan

18,796 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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The Wookie said:
Well I've beaten him a few times this year, does that count hehe
I think that gets you into Sutton's car for next season.

jamiebae

6,245 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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https://www.motorsport.com/wtcc/news/ex-lada-wtcc-...

Daniel Lloyd is off to TCR with Craft-Bamboo. That series seems to be growing in popularity as well as manufacturer interest so will be one to watch I'm sure.

shake n bake

2,221 posts

207 months

Thursday 8th June 2017
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jamiebae said:
The discussions re JP putting his hand in his pocket are interesting. He's a very smart businessman and extremely good at selling his brand to partners but I doubt he actually takes a salary from the team. If you look at the personal sponsors on his helmet they will be paying a small six figure sum in total which is effectively his salary. The bigger team deals will be contingent on him being in the car (Flux, for example) and a proportion will be paid to him for brokering the deal but this is what is funding his drive.

As for the rockstar lifestyle and helicopter, I think the heli is a deal with Augusta Westland and probably quid-pro-quo where he has X hours a year in return for a few days of his time, a sticker or two and a few days of corporate entertainment.

He also has his marketing business (Brandpilot) which I guess makes some money and allows him to live like he does. He does have a very nice house and some good toys but after 10+ years as a pro driver in the big budget manufacturer era he will have earned a huge pile of cash and require a rather lower income to maintain the lifestyle now.

At the moment he doesn't look great but I think everyone knows the car is bent and really that makes it the team's job to sort it rather than his so it's reflecting worse on BMR than him. I know he sticks to BTCC as it minimises his travel and means he can work on other business interests in the week where other race series would mean jetting all over the place and driving on Fridays too but just like Gio he isn't going to do it unless he's getting paid somehow.
More waffle without any sort of back up. Go you.

Can I have a go?

Jason Plato needs to sell his fleet of dinosaur eggs to fund Land Rovers official entry in to next years btcc with a mk2 discovery with a 3.0 v5 diesel from the current Jaguar line up.

indigorallye

555 posts

225 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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Are these cars not insured by the teams or drivers?