BTCC - Croft - Rounds 13, 14, 15
Discussion
Samwich said:
ols said:
I can't say that Matt Jackson's defence was all that stellar in the last corner either. Forcing another racer off the track is not good racing, nor does it create a "well deserved" win.
That last replay looking down the straight from the first corner showed him straighten up towards Sutton on corner exit and nerf him off... 
ITV don't half suck up/off JP do they...
Driver101 said:
I'm surprised to hear Harvey that all drivers would push the car off the track like Jackson just did to Sutton. He went as far as saying he was "entitled".
It looks like Jackson drove at an angle to make the contact.
I'm not agreeing with that.
Agreed. You can see him wind lock off! It looks like Jackson drove at an angle to make the contact.
I'm not agreeing with that.
Driver101 said:
I'm surprised to hear Harvey that all drivers would push the car off the track like Jackson just did to Sutton. He went as far as saying he was "entitled".
It looks like Jackson drove at an angle to make the contact.
I'm not agreeing with that.
I thought the same and Harvey's a tIt looks like Jackson drove at an angle to make the contact.
I'm not agreeing with that.
t for saying it. I rattle on about it but you don't see that kind of move in the Aussie V8's, if they do push people off on corner exits they are penalised, it soon stops that kind of amateur driving.
It's crap driving and the wishy washy attitude towards penalties encourages it.
Ash Sutton is wasted in the series and should get out ASAP. Turkington too.
Look what Darren turner and Alex MacDowall have done. I know they are the exception to the rule, but thats kind of the point really.
Finish in the last Ginetta race was great, Jackson spoiled the end of race 3, no need for it.
Look what Darren turner and Alex MacDowall have done. I know they are the exception to the rule, but thats kind of the point really.
Finish in the last Ginetta race was great, Jackson spoiled the end of race 3, no need for it.
I can only assume the penalty-handler-outers haven't watched race 3 yet...
http://www.btcccrazy.co.uk/btcc/six-drivers-pick-u...
http://www.btcccrazy.co.uk/btcc/six-drivers-pick-u...
VictoriaYorks said:
I can only assume the penalty-handler-outers haven't watched race 3 yet...
http://www.btcccrazy.co.uk/btcc/six-drivers-pick-u...
Not a word about either Honda (Halfords) surprise surprise. http://www.btcccrazy.co.uk/btcc/six-drivers-pick-u...
Crafty_ said:
Not the biggest fan of the BTCC series but this is terrible and I hope that all the drivers recover soon.
Oil or not, I can see track changes being required, am I right in thinking thats at tower bend ? or sunny in/out ?
What an expert , informed view - don't even know where the shunt was - but eeek .let's change it. Horrid shunt yes, but these things happen, now get back in your box till next time the BTCC visits and allow the rest of us to enjoy the circuit .. Oil or not, I can see track changes being required, am I right in thinking thats at tower bend ? or sunny in/out ?
Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 11th June 11:21
Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 11th June 12:12
l354uge said:
So... Wookie.. Thoughts on Rd 3?
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Well I was ambivalent about it until Mat Jackson came over after the race to apologise, well so I thought, he was actually coming to explain to me how it was my fault , or ? 
Even more hilariously he accused me of running him wide (I didn't) when he did exactly that to Sutton on the last corner!
Looks like I need to find a new tyre garage for work as b
ks to going back to his place!Seriously though, I could get upset about it but it was a reverse grid bonus and I still ended up with a top ten, and the car ran great on the hard tyres.
It is disappointing that I didn't get promoted to 9th though as Gordon cut the chicane to keep a place on the last lap and I was given a time penalty for doing virtually exactly the same in Race 1.
Munter said:
As soon as race 3 started I thought "I wonder when Matt Jackson will punt The Wookie off". It had a sad inevitability about it.
Good to see you up there though!
Even Louise Goodman asked me on the grid whether I expected to get 'mugged'!Good to see you up there though!
Cheers mate
ETA, easy not to be pissed off when I have a photo like this to hang on my wall. Wouldn't have even dared imagine it when I was a kid glued to the TV watching the likes of Menu, Rydell and Plato battling it out, or sat in front of my Playstation getting calluses on my thumbs playing TOCA Touring Cars.
Edited by The Wookie on Monday 12th June 11:32
I'm struggling with the whole series at the moment.
I always liked Mat Jackson but he was out of order in the last race. I know the team had a tough weekend and he sounded pretty emotional in the interview, but at least apologise after for shoving someone off.
Jordan went down in my estimations after his comments when he went from Motorbase to WSR.
The constant pro-Honda decisions in the penalties (or lack of)
When you go to a meeting you can't get a view thanks to the row of people at the front with camping chairs who don't move all day and stand up when the races are on, blocking your view completely.
Then at the end there's the fight to get out the car park as everyone thinks they're too important to queue so you end up with 50 rows all trying to get through one exit
I always liked Mat Jackson but he was out of order in the last race. I know the team had a tough weekend and he sounded pretty emotional in the interview, but at least apologise after for shoving someone off.
Jordan went down in my estimations after his comments when he went from Motorbase to WSR.
The constant pro-Honda decisions in the penalties (or lack of)
When you go to a meeting you can't get a view thanks to the row of people at the front with camping chairs who don't move all day and stand up when the races are on, blocking your view completely.
Then at the end there's the fight to get out the car park as everyone thinks they're too important to queue so you end up with 50 rows all trying to get through one exit
- sigh - rant over*
Driver101 said:
I'm surprised to hear Harvey that all drivers would push the car off the track like Jackson just did to Sutton. He went as far as saying he was "entitled".
It looks like Jackson drove at an angle to make the contact.
I'm not agreeing with that.
I think like you but I feel we are in the minority. Just look at the last few years of the F1 forum and you will see everyone saying that anyone on the inside line is entitled to go where they want and drive people off the track. This is why its apparently fine every time Hamilton drove into or shoved Rosberg off the track.It looks like Jackson drove at an angle to make the contact.
I'm not agreeing with that.
My opinion is that it doesn't matter where the cars are in relation to eachother if they are alongside then nobody is entitled to shove the other off.
VictoriaYorks said:
When you go to a meeting you can't get a view thanks to the row of people at the front with camping chairs who don't move all day and stand up when the races are on, blocking your view completely.
Then at the end there's the fight to get out the car park as everyone thinks they're too important to queue so you end up with 50 rows all trying to get through one exit
The worst ones are the camera nerds, don't actually watch the race other than through the lense of their beloved Nikon. What's the point of taking 1 million pictures? To show your mum who you obviously still live with. Get out of the way and let people actually see what's going on!Then at the end there's the fight to get out the car park as everyone thinks they're too important to queue so you end up with 50 rows all trying to get through one exit
- sigh - rant over*
mattyc69 said:
VictoriaYorks said:
When you go to a meeting you can't get a view thanks to the row of people at the front with camping chairs who don't move all day and stand up when the races are on, blocking your view completely.
Then at the end there's the fight to get out the car park as everyone thinks they're too important to queue so you end up with 50 rows all trying to get through one exit
The worst ones are the camera nerds, don't actually watch the race other than through the lense of their beloved Nikon. What's the point of taking 1 million pictures? To show your mum who you obviously still live with. Get out of the way and let people actually see what's going on!Then at the end there's the fight to get out the car park as everyone thinks they're too important to queue so you end up with 50 rows all trying to get through one exit
- sigh - rant over*
A photographer that blocks a couple of feet of your view if you cant be bothered to stand up is the least of your at a BTCC event. Whats with the tents and gazebos?
Going back to the racing and the issue of contact I think the problem partially lies with the viewing public. Apparently the vast majority don't want to watch clean racing.
I've just looked at the btcc Facebook page and anyone who criticises the amount of contact is told to "go watch F1" and there's suggestions that clean racing is boring.
My dad went to croft on Sunday and when I asked how it was he said "really good, there was a couple of crashes right in front of us"
The whole thing is geared up around the thrills and spills. The commentators talk about how exciting it is instead of condoning the actions and the stewards rarely take any action.
It's going to take a big change to move away from what we have but I think it needs to be looked at. Every meeting there's moves that shouldn't be allowed.
I've just looked at the btcc Facebook page and anyone who criticises the amount of contact is told to "go watch F1" and there's suggestions that clean racing is boring.
My dad went to croft on Sunday and when I asked how it was he said "really good, there was a couple of crashes right in front of us"
The whole thing is geared up around the thrills and spills. The commentators talk about how exciting it is instead of condoning the actions and the stewards rarely take any action.
It's going to take a big change to move away from what we have but I think it needs to be looked at. Every meeting there's moves that shouldn't be allowed.
darren9 said:
Going back to the racing and the issue of contact I think the problem partially lies with the viewing public. Apparently the vast majority don't want to watch clean racing.
I've just looked at the btcc Facebook page and anyone who criticises the amount of contact is told to "go watch F1" and there's suggestions that clean racing is boring.
My dad went to croft on Sunday and when I asked how it was he said "really good, there was a couple of crashes right in front of us"
The whole thing is geared up around the thrills and spills. The commentators talk about how exciting it is instead of condoning the actions and the stewards rarely take any action.
It's going to take a big change to move away from what we have but I think it needs to be looked at. Every meeting there's moves that shouldn't be allowed.
I think that is the crux of it. Sadly.I've just looked at the btcc Facebook page and anyone who criticises the amount of contact is told to "go watch F1" and there's suggestions that clean racing is boring.
My dad went to croft on Sunday and when I asked how it was he said "really good, there was a couple of crashes right in front of us"
The whole thing is geared up around the thrills and spills. The commentators talk about how exciting it is instead of condoning the actions and the stewards rarely take any action.
It's going to take a big change to move away from what we have but I think it needs to be looked at. Every meeting there's moves that shouldn't be allowed.
In contrast I switched off. I'm fed up with the poor driving standards that are also evident in Clios and Ginettas etc. If I raced like that in would be lynched.
People have been saying for ages that someone will get hurt. Well now they have, albeit in practice, so what is Gow and TOCA and the MSA going to do about it to improve things.
I know that practice conditions were bad but drivers should be able to drive to the conditions and adapt accordingly.
Rubbing is not racing
Pushing to pass is not acceptable
Racing is a non contact sport.
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