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So the retirement of the 7 seems to have been caused by a rather bizarre incident, possibly even skulduggery.
The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
Everyone knows of Jenson Button, David Coulthard. Who the hell has ever heard of Earl Bamber and Nick Tandy ?
F1 costs much, much more but gives better return and that is why Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault are all heavily involved.
The proposed 2020 regs are a further attempt to pander to the manufacturers, one of the chaps that was on RLM last night laid in to them big time, saying they will increase costs, do nothing for fans and hadn't been properly thought out. He could be right.
It remains to be seen what happens with the privateer LMP1s that are being talked about for next year. There seems to be a fair amount of interest, which is good the problem is (from what I can see/read) is that other than going a bit faster there is nothing to differentiate non hybrid LMP1 from LMP2, in which case are we just going to see a single class in future of LMP ? there would be little point in running an LMP2 car if the privateer LMP1 comes off.
The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
DanielSan said:
LMP1 class is just suffering a slow painful death at the moment with minimal entries, and reliability this shocking to me says something is spectacularly wrong with the regs.
They need to come up with something that costs significantly less to bring in manufacturer entries, and at very least give the privateer entries a chance to at least be in with a shout of victory.
The problem is that they effectively tried to copy Formula 1 and get the manufacturers involved. The problem is that the commercial value isn't there.They need to come up with something that costs significantly less to bring in manufacturer entries, and at very least give the privateer entries a chance to at least be in with a shout of victory.
Everyone knows of Jenson Button, David Coulthard. Who the hell has ever heard of Earl Bamber and Nick Tandy ?
F1 costs much, much more but gives better return and that is why Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault are all heavily involved.
The proposed 2020 regs are a further attempt to pander to the manufacturers, one of the chaps that was on RLM last night laid in to them big time, saying they will increase costs, do nothing for fans and hadn't been properly thought out. He could be right.
It remains to be seen what happens with the privateer LMP1s that are being talked about for next year. There seems to be a fair amount of interest, which is good the problem is (from what I can see/read) is that other than going a bit faster there is nothing to differentiate non hybrid LMP1 from LMP2, in which case are we just going to see a single class in future of LMP ? there would be little point in running an LMP2 car if the privateer LMP1 comes off.
Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 18th June 18:42
Crafty_ said:
So the retirement of the 7 seems to have been caused by a rather bizarre incident, possibly even skulduggery.
The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
What's the source of this story?The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
Crafty_ said:
So the retirement of the 7 seems to have been caused by a rather bizarre incident, possibly even skulduggery.
The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
I noticed this chap at the time, waving them out behind the usual orange marshalls back and thought it looked quite oddThe car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
Edit: Found it here @9h44m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yhVJoScJRw
Commetators suggest it was a g-drive driver
Edited by egomeister on Sunday 18th June 18:51
egomeister said:
Crafty_ said:
So the retirement of the 7 seems to have been caused by a rather bizarre incident, possibly even skulduggery.
The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
I noticed this chap at the time, waving them out behind the usual orange marshalls back and thought it looked quite oddThe car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
Edit: Found it here @9h44m30s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yhVJoScJRw
Commetators suggest it was a g-drive driver
Edited by egomeister on Sunday 18th June 18:51
Crafty_ said:
So the retirement of the 7 seems to have been caused by a rather bizarre incident, possibly even skulduggery.
The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
you buy that the clutch burned out half way through a race because it was used a few times. seriously. The car was in pit lane and because of the safety car was told to stop and the end of pit lane by a marshal.
Toyota are claiming that a fake marshal then told the car to go out on track, Toyota claim this man was a driver from another team.
They then told him to stop, because the safety car & pack were approaching.
They claim the clutch burned out from all the starting and stopping and thus caused the retirement. They apparently have video of the fake marshal.
Where did I say I believed any of it ?jsf said:
you buy that the clutch burned out half way through a race because it was used a few times. seriously.
The clutch isn't used for starts normally as they pull away under electric power. It's plausible that the stop/start/stop/start at the end of the pit lane with the combustion engine was too much.egomeister said:
jsf said:
you buy that the clutch burned out half way through a race because it was used a few times. seriously.
The clutch isn't used for starts normally as they pull away under electric power. It's plausible that the stop/start/stop/start at the end of the pit lane with the combustion engine was too much.
here the timestamped url for ease, https://youtu.be/5yhVJoScJRw?t=35077
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Just got back. It was too darn hot! What a bonkers race! Soooo wanted the LMP2 to win but guess it wasn't to be. I thought the LMP1 podium ceremony was a bit of a sham given that there were only two cars and the Porsche had already been up for the overall podium. Normally there isn't one because the overall top three are LMP1 so they merge the ceremonies. I suppose Toyota had to have their moment on TV for 2nd in LMP1 (9th overall) even if they had a shocker.
Also a bit odd seeing the 2nd and 3rd placed crews having to come back out on the gantry for the LMP2 podium ceremony. At least the MC didn't try to interview them all twice!
The final laps in GTPro were awesome as well. Was watching the screen by the pit exit and the cheers from the crowd every time the Aston made a move were like being at a football match.
Also a bit odd seeing the 2nd and 3rd placed crews having to come back out on the gantry for the LMP2 podium ceremony. At least the MC didn't try to interview them all twice!
The final laps in GTPro were awesome as well. Was watching the screen by the pit exit and the cheers from the crowd every time the Aston made a move were like being at a football match.
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