Street Racing - Macau - narrow = daft

Street Racing - Macau - narrow = daft

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///ajd

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8,964 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Carnage from 1:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=734&am...

Is it just me or is all this narrow street stuff just not nearly as good on nearly all levels as a proper circuit?

This circuit in particular just looks like it is asking for trouble.

dudleybloke

19,874 posts

187 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Its one of the few exciting tracks left.
Leave it alone!!!

Bring back the Birmingham Superprix too!!!!

robinh73

922 posts

201 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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///ajd said:
Carnage from 1:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=734&am...

Is it just me or is all this narrow street stuff just not nearly as good on nearly all levels as a proper circuit?

This circuit in particular just looks like it is asking for trouble.
what isn't a "proper circuit" about it? It knocks "proper circuit" racing into a cocked hat. There is nothing like getting that close to the action, something that you simply do not get on a short circuit. Why do say it is asking for trouble? It should be celebrated rather than shunned or condoned. In this day of health and safety, real road racing should be applauded.

telecat

8,528 posts

242 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Virtually all the races have been stopped due to accidents. One took the life of Dan Hegerty. Personally I think all street circuits are too dangerous these days. Especially for Motor cycles.

robinh73

922 posts

201 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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I know Dan and have raced with him on many occasions. Nobody forces us to do the sport we love. Losing him is tragic, but we are all aware of the risks we take and wouldn't change it. It may seem like a bizarre way to look at it, but until you have competed in such a sport, you really can't comprehend it. As I have said before, in this day and age, where kids aren't allowed to play conkers in school; sports days are frowned upon so that no child feels they have lost; driverless cars are on the horizon, something as wonderful as Macau should be celebrated.

///ajd

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8,964 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Whilst I said trouble I was not really meaning it in the safety way.

It was more a comment on how narrow it is - it is almost too narrow for two cars to be side by side.

In many cases this leads to very dull racing with only one racing line and little room for multiple lines, variation, uncertainty & overtaking. And hence something worth watching.

This race certainly looked a lot less exciting & more processional than a round of BTCC at any number of open UK circuits. And then they had a big traffic jam.

EDIT - I posted the above before I read about Dan. Very sad.

Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 18th November 17:00

mike80

2,248 posts

217 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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I've been there a few times and it's great for atmosphere.

But there is a lot of waiting around while the various messes are cleaned up, and you couldn't pay me enough to get on a motorbike there.


Altrezia

8,517 posts

212 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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dudleybloke said:
Its one of the few exciting tracks left.
Leave it alone!!!
This. I love this event and would love to do it myself one day.

It's a real shame about Hegarty - horrid accident.

coppice

8,639 posts

145 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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///ajd said:
Whilst I said trouble I was not really meaning it in the safety way.

It was more a comment on how narrow it is - it is almost too narrow for two cars to be side by side.

In many cases this leads to very dull racing with only one racing line and little room for multiple lines, variation, uncertainty & overtaking. And hence something worth watching.

This race certainly looked a lot less exciting & more processional than a round of BTCC at any number of open UK circuits. And then they had a big traffic jam.

EDIT - I posted the above before I read about Dan. Very sad.

Edited by ///ajd on Saturday 18th November 17:00
Hmm ...Silverstone or Rockingham BTCC or F3 or GT at Macau ?Dunno about you but I'd be heading East -a dn not to Snetterton either ...Cadwell's narrow too - and I think it's still the UK's best circuit .

768

13,718 posts

97 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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rallycross

12,826 posts

238 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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I love this race, some of the WTCC final's have been great to watch in the past 15 yrs.
We just watched Huff win another finale, his 9th win at Macau, tha'ts quite some achievement.

chunder27

2,309 posts

209 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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The stupid thing about Macau is that the most suitable thing to race there is motorcycles as it is so narrow.

Having F3 and touring cars there is fine as they are a little slower

But having GT's thee is plainly ridiculous.

Like having f1 round Cadwell or WEC round Olivers Mount

99dndd

2,091 posts

90 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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mike80 said:
I've been there a few times and it's great for atmosphere.

But there is a lot of waiting around while the various messes are cleaned up, and you couldn't pay me enough to get on a motorbike there.
Never been but I'm not a fan of watching it live because half the airtime seems to be cleanup.

Not sure of the validity of a GT race win when a forklift and a flatbed are technically running 5th and 6th.

DanielSan

18,822 posts

168 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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OP genuine question, have you only just discovered Macau this weekend? It’s been raced on for years, everyone knows the score with the track and that’s why they go and race there. For the challenge. There was more action in the last lap of the F3 race alone than most of the F1 season combined this year

coppice

8,639 posts

145 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Indeed - one of Senna's favourites too. Coming next 'Monaco - too twisty? Birmingham - no , they didn't, really ? '

irocfan

40,582 posts

191 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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///ajd do you feel the same about the IoM TT?

2fast748

1,098 posts

196 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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chunder27 said:
The stupid thing about Macau is that the most suitable thing to race there is motorcycles as it is so narrow.

Having F3 and touring cars there is fine as they are a little slower

But having GT's thee is plainly ridiculous.

Like having f1 round Cadwell or WEC round Olivers Mount
Not sure of your point?

F3 Pole: 2:10:720
GT Pole: 2:17:565
TC Pole: 2:23:995
Bikes pole: 2:23:081

ribiero

552 posts

167 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Leave Macau alone!

They have circuit blockages at Bathurst too, do we do away with that?


Z3MCJez

531 posts

173 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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99dndd said:
Never been but I'm not a fan of watching it live because half the airtime seems to be cleanup.

Not sure of the validity of a GT race win when a forklift and a flatbed are technically running 5th and 6th.
To be fair, the cars running in the first 4 positions were running 1, 2, 3 and 5 pre-crash. It's not like that Aussie guy who won the speed skating when everyone fell over in both his semi final and again in the final.

Jez

grumpy52

5,599 posts

167 months

Thursday 7th December 2017
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When Graham Hill was asked about his favourite circuits he replied Monaco and Crystal Palace .
Get it correct or take it home in a bin .
Slightly different for the bikers I will admit as they don't crumple like a tin top .