The 2018 Rallying thread..(WRC, ERC, etc)

The 2018 Rallying thread..(WRC, ERC, etc)

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DelicaL400

269 posts

55 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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Allyc85 said:
I’d be happy for M-Sport to turn up at all. Not that long till entries for 2019 close now.
I'd not be surprised if they don't enter. Plenty of business in R5s, they've just launched a new R2 they've got the Bentley programme and the road car testing/development facility as well the the MS-RT stuff. I'm not sure they need to be involved in the WRC now.

It'd be nice to see an Abu Dhabi-backed Loeb/Breen/Tidemand team though.

RyanTank

2,820 posts

98 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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Allyc85 said:
DanielSan said:
I'd quite like to see Breen at M Sport.
I’d be happy for M-Sport to turn up at all. Not that long till entries for 2019 close now.
Me too with Breen, he'll come pretty much full circle.

Not much given away from malcolm here, but not sounding too positive either scratchchinhttps://www.facebook.com/LoricarnochanITV/videos/2...
Really hope they get something together as I want something else to support instead of just Meeke in the Toyota.

Just able to catch a glimpse in the background of the I-Pace development cars they are running as this years Formula E support series right at the start of the vid.

ArnageWRC

958 posts

103 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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You have to wonder at how successful the WRC actually is when the team which has won the last two drivers Championships, and a Manufacturers Title aren't guaranteed to enter next year. Something isn't right. As already said, they have their finger in many pies, and will be successful, whether in the WRC or not; but rallying is it's bread & butter. Hopefully, something will turn up.

I've often said that the sport of rallying is a pretty small world compared to circuit racing, and can feel like the poor relation.

greeny12

203 posts

163 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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The lack of media profile is a serious issue, especially given the costs of competing in today's very geographically spread (and long!) WRC season.

And Malcolm must know that without Ogier he's facing fairly slim pickings in 2019. All three rivals will have better driver/vehicle packages so wins - or even podiums - may be scarce.

Plus the Bentley works effort is stepping up a gear next year with four Pro cars at the Spa 24 and a full-season entry into Intercontinental GT Challenge. Maybe a year out of the full WRC to concentrate on that?

thepawbroon

710 posts

128 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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ArnageWRC said:
You have to wonder at how successful the WRC actually is when the team which has won the last two drivers Championships, and a Manufacturers Title aren't guaranteed to enter next year. Something isn't right. As already said, they have their finger in many pies, and will be successful, whether in the WRC or not; but rallying is it's bread & butter. Hopefully, something will turn up.

I've often said that the sport of rallying is a pretty small world compared to circuit racing, and can feel like the poor relation.
There is little, if any, corporate sponsorship. Most of the money comes from manufacturers and the trade, with a few small deals on the side. Gone are the days when large brands (admittedly mainly cigarettes) would fund the sport. It's primarily the same at all levels of rallying, the main sponsors are mostly there because the company owner likes rallying (e.g. Legend Fires, Swift Caravans, Beatson's Building Supplies etc).

Toyota seem to have scooped a couple of good brands with Microsoft and Panasonic. Red Bull and Abu Dhabi are corporate sponsors.
But none are like the brand immersion of e.g. 555 and Rothmans were.

The Colin Clark Podcast with Gerard Quinn was interesting, basically Ford are getting enough brand exposure from the R5 and R2 programmes, which is close to cost-neutral for Ford, and profitable for M-Sport.

chunder27

2,309 posts

152 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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That in fact raises a whole other question.

I think we all agree the new WRC cars are spectacular, and have moved WRC back into some sort of frame, where for the Loeb Ogier years in other cars before it was literally non existant in terms of interest.

The R5 cars are still rgeat to watch and listen to, far cheaper.

I read somewhere that over 70 are booked in to compete at the Monoza rally soon, that would never happen even in the GpA days when rallying last boomed.

Maybe it's time for someone to really push an R5 WRC, insetad of it being totally in the shadow in every way of WRC cars of which there are about 10!

thepawbroon

710 posts

128 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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chunder27 said:
Maybe it's time for someone to really push an R5 WRC, insetad of it being totally in the shadow in every way of WRC cars of which there are about 10!
Like the WRC2 Pro?

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/october-2018/wmsc-...

chunder27

2,309 posts

152 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I think this is a good shout yes, don't keep up wit every bit of news regarding the series, but as long as they can compete and there are enough of them, sounds great.

thepawbroon

710 posts

128 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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There will be a works Skoda team (factory-run and funded).

I imagine there will be works teams from M-Sport and Citroen, factory run but commercially-funded like Gus Greensmith this year.

It won't be long before R5 cars (+/- a few mods) will become the top level. There's no way the current WRC cars are financially sustainable.

Allyc85

6,884 posts

130 months

Wednesday 5th December 2018
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I’m pretty nervous TBH, but it’s a good test having 2 big games back to back. Plus “The special one” generally pulls something out the bag against us.

GravelBen

13,763 posts

174 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Allyc85 said:
I’m pretty nervous TBH, but it’s a good test having 2 big games back to back. Plus “The special one” generally pulls something out the bag against us.
This might not be the thread that post was intended for?

Allyc85

6,884 posts

130 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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It would seem so laughboxedin

GravelBen

13,763 posts

174 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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beerbeerbeer

greeny12

203 posts

163 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Allyc outed as a Gooner!

Allyc85

6,884 posts

130 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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One of my many sins!

GravelBen said:
beerbeerbeer
The bad thing is I hadn't even started on the beers!

Back to rallying and I see Loeb has had talks with Hyundai, and I heard a rumour about a change of team manager at the team!

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/hyundai-loeb-s...

chunder27

2,309 posts

152 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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83 R5 or more cars now booked for Monza Rally, insanity, don't think you will ever see anything like that elsewhere.

Some great names too.

Rossi has hired three Fiesta's for himself Uccio and Brivio (at God knows what cost), plus Suninen is there in a works car.

Toni Cairoli also and weirdly Chad Reed, for those who dont speak motocross, two of the best riders ever!

Nearly 60 R5 cars! just bonkers event.

GravelBen

13,763 posts

174 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Allyc85 said:
The bad thing is I hadn't even started on the beers!

Back to rallying and I see Loeb has had talks with Hyundai, and I heard a rumour about a change of team manager at the team!

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/hyundai-loeb-s...
Maybe more beers needed then? hehe

I wouldn't be too surprised if there are some changes in their team management, they made (and/or failed to make) a few risky decisions which you could argue cost them their championship goals - Hyundai company oversight may want someone to take a fall for that failure to meet goals which looked well in sight earlier in the season.

bananachips

230 posts

91 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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https://youtu.be/jyoxvTjejD8

I see 3/4 of the current spec WRC Fiestas at the Monza Rally Show have the Ogier spec rear aero package and also seen on the WRC instagram page a video explaining the 2019 Aero is being tested very soon as well. If M-Sport are reportedly looking to step back next year why still develop the car at this stage?

Pericoloso

40,246 posts

107 months

Friday 7th December 2018
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Ref the last post

Big Malc is still trying to lure Loeb to Ford.

no idea if that's dead in the water yet.

thebigmacmoomin

2,152 posts

113 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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Pericoloso said:
Ref the last post

Big Malc is still trying to lure Loeb to Ford.

no idea if that's dead in the water yet.
Would love to see Seb in a Ford, how likely is it going to happen, no idea. Better chance no there isn't going to be a 3rd Citroen for 2019.