RE: Decree threatens motor sport
Discussion
Mmm, I have to admit that a government that has garnered so much trust from its public in recent years (NOT), taxes Joe Public to within an inch of bankruptcy, attacks the motorist at every junction, passes laws without any consultation to those it affects and generally pi55e5 off the majority population should really stay in power...
...right up until the general election boots them out with their tails between there legs.
Lets face it, any alternative is better than an arrogant, self righteous bunch who think they can do what they like.
Imagine what size their heads will be if they won on May 5th? What would they think they could get away with?
The ONLY alternative is to vote the Motorist hating bunch if twits onto the other side of the House.
...right up until the general election boots them out with their tails between there legs.
Lets face it, any alternative is better than an arrogant, self righteous bunch who think they can do what they like.
Imagine what size their heads will be if they won on May 5th? What would they think they could get away with?
The ONLY alternative is to vote the Motorist hating bunch if twits onto the other side of the House.
This is not an unfamiliar tactic. The loonies recently "reworded" the open general licence for pest shooting. This was done without consultation with any relevant organisations. Net result was to criminalsise on Monday what had been fully lawful on Sunday without actually telling anyone.
Following an immediate and very well organised response by the representative bodies from the shooting/farming world (Except what is supposedly the largest shooting organisation, wonder who tucks them into bed at night? )a major back pedalling exercise was soon in place and the licence was reworded and clarified and nationally reported to return the situation to the former licence conditions. It had worked for years so just why did they alter it??
So, moan to the right people and things will get done, but watch your backs because the devious little sods wont rest until we all ramble, wear sandals and go vegetarian and ride a bicycle.
Vote the buggers out. It is the only way.
If it works or it is fun they will ban it.
Following an immediate and very well organised response by the representative bodies from the shooting/farming world (Except what is supposedly the largest shooting organisation, wonder who tucks them into bed at night? )a major back pedalling exercise was soon in place and the licence was reworded and clarified and nationally reported to return the situation to the former licence conditions. It had worked for years so just why did they alter it??
So, moan to the right people and things will get done, but watch your backs because the devious little sods wont rest until we all ramble, wear sandals and go vegetarian and ride a bicycle.
Vote the buggers out. It is the only way.
If it works or it is fun they will ban it.
[quote=ftasb devious little sods wont rest until we all ramble, wear sandals and go vegetarian and ride a bicycle.
Vote the buggers out. It is the only way.
If it works or it is fun they will ban it.[/quote]
'scuse me, I ramble occasionally, am vegetarian and ride a bike! (Well I am the village postman)
I also used to compete in Autocross, am a great supporter of grass roots motorsport and am fully opposed to the ban.
Unfortunately, the way the run up to this elction is going, B-liar, Fatty-P, and Mugger Brown will be back for another 4 years. Can't suggest anything to get rid of them either!
Vote the buggers out. It is the only way.
If it works or it is fun they will ban it.[/quote]
'scuse me, I ramble occasionally, am vegetarian and ride a bike! (Well I am the village postman)
I also used to compete in Autocross, am a great supporter of grass roots motorsport and am fully opposed to the ban.
Unfortunately, the way the run up to this elction is going, B-liar, Fatty-P, and Mugger Brown will be back for another 4 years. Can't suggest anything to get rid of them either!
trawled through this lot , then trawled once more through one of a collection of new books of regulation laughingly called the simplified scheme , and thought i'd better throw a bit of light on the matter as best I can .
I don't claim to know the new system inside out , but am currently the chairman of my local NFU branch ,and have attended numerous seminars and meetings on the SPS or Single Payment Scheme, also I've spent several "spare" days over the past week trying to scrape together all the information to put in my claim for payment , against a backdrop of DEFRA and RPA hopeless incompetence .
Please don't get hung up over the term setaside and what you can and can't do on it , because whilst it may be the case that some motorsport has been legitimately (I havn't a clue sorry) carried out on Setaside land and may or may not now be allowed , the whole ethos has now shifted (which is actualy a good thing) so that a Farmer is not now restricted in how he uses his land to provide cheap food for the EU that may or may not be in oversuply (another issue).
It is indeed true that under the SPS a farmer can claim payment for virtualy every activity other than Motorsport ,camping and golf.It only means that the area actualy used for such activities must be left out of the claim , and as has been stated above a decently run event should be able to more than compensate for any loss of earnings , as at the end of the day SPS is hardly a bonanza ,
the only slight niggle I can see is that in order for an area of un-cropped land to remain eligible for future payments if circumstances change it must be kept in what the government civil servents (who are of course experts !!!!!) define as GAEC. Good Agricultural & Environmental Condition .It is down to those farmers concerned to assess the implications of that and no two situations will be the same . But under section C parragraph 48 of the SPS handbook for 2005 (great bed time reading !)land may still be eligible for a claim under SPS if used for a limited number of days a year as a car park (still under review ) though "woe betide you" if it is a very wet day as GEAC would not be fulfilled.
So there you have it as clear as mud
Don't be fooled, this government has brought the countryside to it's knees (literaly begging)in blatant revenge for Thatchers treatment of the Miners (virtualy admitted by Prestcot in an un-guarded moment, not that she did us an awfull lot of good either !!!) and we all here know how they love car owners , They are a spitefull bunch but will be re- elected because of the opposition .
hooray for democracy !!!!!!
>> Edited by farmer on Wednesday 20th April 01:03
I don't claim to know the new system inside out , but am currently the chairman of my local NFU branch ,and have attended numerous seminars and meetings on the SPS or Single Payment Scheme, also I've spent several "spare" days over the past week trying to scrape together all the information to put in my claim for payment , against a backdrop of DEFRA and RPA hopeless incompetence .
Please don't get hung up over the term setaside and what you can and can't do on it , because whilst it may be the case that some motorsport has been legitimately (I havn't a clue sorry) carried out on Setaside land and may or may not now be allowed , the whole ethos has now shifted (which is actualy a good thing) so that a Farmer is not now restricted in how he uses his land to provide cheap food for the EU that may or may not be in oversuply (another issue).
It is indeed true that under the SPS a farmer can claim payment for virtualy every activity other than Motorsport ,camping and golf.It only means that the area actualy used for such activities must be left out of the claim , and as has been stated above a decently run event should be able to more than compensate for any loss of earnings , as at the end of the day SPS is hardly a bonanza ,
the only slight niggle I can see is that in order for an area of un-cropped land to remain eligible for future payments if circumstances change it must be kept in what the government civil servents (who are of course experts !!!!!) define as GAEC. Good Agricultural & Environmental Condition .It is down to those farmers concerned to assess the implications of that and no two situations will be the same . But under section C parragraph 48 of the SPS handbook for 2005 (great bed time reading !)land may still be eligible for a claim under SPS if used for a limited number of days a year as a car park (still under review ) though "woe betide you" if it is a very wet day as GEAC would not be fulfilled.
So there you have it as clear as mud
Don't be fooled, this government has brought the countryside to it's knees (literaly begging)in blatant revenge for Thatchers treatment of the Miners (virtualy admitted by Prestcot in an un-guarded moment, not that she did us an awfull lot of good either !!!) and we all here know how they love car owners , They are a spitefull bunch but will be re- elected because of the opposition .
hooray for democracy !!!!!!
>> Edited by farmer on Wednesday 20th April 01:03
DEFRA and Co. are a bunch of hopeless second raters. Yes, they do hatch the odd devious plot, but as often as not their decisions are pretty much random, determined arbitrarily by incompetent lack of foresight and imagination.
Interesting to hear from someone who knows what he is talking about; God bless you, farmer.
How much land is needed to make the track? 3 or 4 acres? How much subsidy would a farmer be able to claim for that land?
Interesting to hear from someone who knows what he is talking about; God bless you, farmer.
How much land is needed to make the track? 3 or 4 acres? How much subsidy would a farmer be able to claim for that land?
I seem to remember another thread a few years ago about these DEFRA scumbags making it legal to remove apparently redundant vehicles from YOUR land with 5 days notice and WITHOUT CONSENT.
So, Mrs Twitchycurtains next door doesn't approve of how long its taking to restore your E-type in your own driveway, waits until you are on a fortnights holiday, one phone call and bingo.
Apparently their boss has huge sympathies with the rambling associations. Twerp.
So, Mrs Twitchycurtains next door doesn't approve of how long its taking to restore your E-type in your own driveway, waits until you are on a fortnights holiday, one phone call and bingo.
Apparently their boss has huge sympathies with the rambling associations. Twerp.
This is a press release form the MSA.
MSA tackles DEFRA threat to UK motor sport
The Motor Sports Association has vowed to fight all the way to Brussels to safeguard the future of nearly 50 percent of its sanctioned motor sport events after the government decided to stop subsidies to farmers who allow part of their land to be used, even temporarily, for any form of motor sport.
The MSA has joined forces with the governing body of motor cycle racing (ACU) and other affected parties to challenge the Government's decision, channelling its efforts through the Land Access & Recreation Association (LARA) of which the MSA is a founding memmber and major funder.
The Single Payment Scheme (SPS) replaces the Common Agricultural Policy and now pays farmers for the land they own, not what they produce. The European directive on agricultural subsidies does not prohibit motor sports on land eligible for SPS. However, the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) has taken the decision, without consultation, to stop these payments to UK landowners if agricultural land is used, even temporarily, for motor sport.
Activities that will be particularly impacted are autograss, autocross, sporting trials, production car trials, 4x4 events and some rallies.
"We believe the current guidance from DEFRA to landowners is incorrect, is inconsistent with EU policy and fundamentally threatens the future of motor
sport in this country. The MSA is a founding member and substantial funder of LARA and it is entirely appropriate that the concerted response of all
interested parties to this threat is channelled through LARA. We hope to have a successful conclusion to our urgent dialogue with DEFRA, but should
the need arise we are prepared to pursue this issue further," said Colin Hilton, Chief Executive of the Motor Sports Association.
MSA tackles DEFRA threat to UK motor sport
The Motor Sports Association has vowed to fight all the way to Brussels to safeguard the future of nearly 50 percent of its sanctioned motor sport events after the government decided to stop subsidies to farmers who allow part of their land to be used, even temporarily, for any form of motor sport.
The MSA has joined forces with the governing body of motor cycle racing (ACU) and other affected parties to challenge the Government's decision, channelling its efforts through the Land Access & Recreation Association (LARA) of which the MSA is a founding memmber and major funder.
The Single Payment Scheme (SPS) replaces the Common Agricultural Policy and now pays farmers for the land they own, not what they produce. The European directive on agricultural subsidies does not prohibit motor sports on land eligible for SPS. However, the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) has taken the decision, without consultation, to stop these payments to UK landowners if agricultural land is used, even temporarily, for motor sport.
Activities that will be particularly impacted are autograss, autocross, sporting trials, production car trials, 4x4 events and some rallies.
"We believe the current guidance from DEFRA to landowners is incorrect, is inconsistent with EU policy and fundamentally threatens the future of motor
sport in this country. The MSA is a founding member and substantial funder of LARA and it is entirely appropriate that the concerted response of all
interested parties to this threat is channelled through LARA. We hope to have a successful conclusion to our urgent dialogue with DEFRA, but should
the need arise we are prepared to pursue this issue further," said Colin Hilton, Chief Executive of the Motor Sports Association.
ATG said:
DEFRA and Co. are a bunch of hopeless second raters. Yes, they do hatch the odd devious plot, but as often as not their decisions are pretty much random, determined arbitrarily by incompetent lack of foresight and imagination.
Interesting to hear from someone who knows what he is talking about; God bless you, farmer.
How much land is needed to make the track? 3 or 4 acres? How much subsidy would a farmer be able to claim for that land?
I don't know if I'd go that far but thanks for the blessing none-the-less
in simple terms about £70-80/acre/year depending on the area the land is situated , and it's productive capacity status, and the historic use it has been put too, and how many environmental hoops the custodian is qualified or prepared to jump through
pablo said:
The Single Payment Scheme (SPS) replaces the Common Agricultural Policy and now pays farmers for the land they own, not what they produce.
not strictly true, The SPS is the latest (and biggest)reform to the implimentation of the CAP
and pays farmers (who otherwise grew crops,at or below break even, just to get paid, to subsidise Tesco) on the land under thier control (owned, tenanted or common land)
NON-AGRICULTURAL USE AND MOTORSPORTS
Last Friday RPA confirmed that they have revised the rules governing the use of agricultural land for motor sports during the 10-month qualifying period. The riules now provide for motor sports to take place on up to 28 days during the 10-month eligibility period on land used in support of 2005 Single Payment claims. Guidance for 2006 and beyond will be reviewed in the light of experience of this first year of the SPS.
hot of the press !!!
Last Friday RPA confirmed that they have revised the rules governing the use of agricultural land for motor sports during the 10-month qualifying period. The riules now provide for motor sports to take place on up to 28 days during the 10-month eligibility period on land used in support of 2005 Single Payment claims. Guidance for 2006 and beyond will be reviewed in the light of experience of this first year of the SPS.
hot of the press !!!
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