Women only!

[Munter]

Teddy Lop said:

I've no reason to doubt there are woman that can achieve the fitness, but at what cost? What effect does having children have on it and what effect might it have on fertility?

Jaw on floor.

What the. Why. How. Eh. I mean what would even make you consider that as something to think?

[Fire99]

I can see both sides to this but dealing with the reality of what we have, as it stands we won't see many female drivers in F1..

My biggest issue with this W series is that it appears to be based around 200 bhp Formula 3 cars.... To me, with there already being enough press about how this is a step backwards on the road to equal opportunities for women in top level motorsport, they compound the issue by giving the women a pretty 'lightweight' formula to race on their own.

It still looks like "you girls go play in the little cars whilst us boys go play with real stuff!"

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Fire99 said:

It still looks like "you girls go play in the little cars whilst us boys go play with real stuff!"

Exactly

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Koln-RS said:

I still think we're a long way off seeing a female in F1

You mean seeing a female in F1 again.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formu...

And by "in F1" I assume you mean in a race, given that Suzie Wolff was a test driver in 2014 and Tatiana Calderón is a current F1 test driver.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Friday 12th October 11:13

[anonymous-user]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Fire99 said:

It still looks like "you girls go play in the little cars whilst us boys go play with real stuff!"

Exactly

I agree but it as after all business, would the cost of running another F1 (in terms of tech) makes sense and / or have enough support?

Does this class make it more feasible?

I don’t know the above but it’d be my thoughts, great idea!

But to the guy above ref the effects on women, don’t be an idiot you do realise we have WOMEN fighter pilots, astronauts and soldiers who are capable of having children which isn’t not all women’s priority.

[Robmarriott]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

You mean seeing a female in F1 again.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formu...

And by "in F1" I assume you mean in a race, given that Suzie Wolff was a test driver in 2014 and Tatiana Calderón is a current F1 test driver.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Friday 12th October 11:13

‘In F1’ means signed as a main driver who competes for a season to most people. Anything other than that attempting to be justified as ‘in f1’ is typical of the issue.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Robmarriott said:

‘In F1’ means signed as a main driver who competes for a season to most people. Anything other than that attempting to be justified as ‘in f1’ is typical of the issue.

Fair enough. I just took the original comment to imply "nowhere near F1" and being a test driver is certainly part of the "F1 circus". Likewise Monisha Kaltenborn being Team Principal of Sauber until last year.

But, yes, I agree that you're not a "F1 driver" until you have a race seat.

[Kraken]

I'd say Lombardi had far more right to be called an F1 driver than the likes of Tiff Needell and Perry McCarthy for example.

[Fire99]

Lord.Vader said:

I agree but it as after all business, would the cost of running another F1 (in terms of tech) makes sense and / or have enough support?

I hear what you're saying but surely there is a 'half way' answer.. Even an old GP2 spec car would have 600bhp (instead of 200) and a 10,000 rev limit. That would in some ways be a closer gap to the 'starter series' F3.

Or the current Formula 2.. 620bhp, DRS and technology that isn't a million miles from F1...?

If they truly believe there are Women who are truly worthy of a place in F1 but just don't have the current opportunities etc, they need to provide a car that is much closer to F1 for them to display their talents.

This W series proposal is borderline on insulting in my opinion...

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Fire99 said:

This W series proposal is borderline on insulting in my opinion...

It's so far over the border as to beyond the horizon.

Certainly indycar driver Pippa Mann has rather vocally expressed her opinion that it's insulting.

[RONV]

in all sport men and women should be kept apart players, coaches, referees, lines people as women always bring in it's because I am a women, and want the same money and who wants to watch women's sport like football focus there voices is like emery paper screeching so I just have to switch it off

[Mr_Thyroid]

chunder27 said:

I hate it when men throw the fitness thing out there, pure and utter garbage.

there is NOTHING to suggest a modern F1 car is harder to drive than they ahve ever been. They are broadly similar.

I simply do not believe that no woman could ever match a man in a car, it's pure folly.

I agree - people have been spouting the same trite nonsense for ever.

Even through the early 2010 while on the one hand complaining that the cars were too easy to drive, on the other saying "oh but a woman couldn't do it - these guys are the pinnacle of elite athletes"

In the last couple of years there's been an increase in G-forces but there is no evidence that any of the drivers are struggling - listen to the radio messages, most are clear, calm and not out of breath.

Surely no one thinks Kimi Raikkonen is one of the fittest people on the planet.

[anonymous-user]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Koln-RS said:

I still think we're a long way off seeing a female in F1

You mean seeing a female in F1 again.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formu...

And by "in F1" I assume you mean in a race, given that Suzie Wolff was a test driver in 2014 and Tatiana Calderón is a current F1 test driver.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 12th October 11:13

Calderon has, quite rightly imo, not yet been allowed to test even an old F1 car, let alone a current one.

Wollf tested once at a YDT and in one practice session. More than she deserved from her record but everyone knows why that was.

[Teddy Lop]

Munter said:

Teddy Lop said:

I've no reason to doubt there are woman that can achieve the fitness, but at what cost? What effect does having children have on it and what effect might it have on fertility?

Jaw on floor.

What the. Why. How. Eh. I mean what would even make you consider that as something to think?

What a thoroughly weird and facile question. How dare I think of something; superficially deeply authoritive and accusatory, yet utterly hollow and devoid of any justification with reference to my point. Textbook false argument.

Its been shown that male cyclists can have lowered sperm counts. Happy now, is it legitimate now, to simply wonder and ask, about pushing bodies to extremes and that affects biology?

[Drumroll]

RONV said:

in all sport men and women should be kept apart players, coaches, referees, lines people as women always bring in it's because I am a women, and want the same money and who wants to watch women's sport like football focus there voices is like emery paper screeching so I just have to switch it off

Wow and I thought neanderthal man had died out.

[coppice]

Me Too (as it were) - for some it is forever 1974. And now it's Live Darts, followed by the Benny Hill Show ....

[Munter]

Teddy Lop said:

. Happy now, is it legitimate now, to simply wonder and ask, about pushing bodies to extremes and that affects biology?

In my opinion no, in the context of this thread it's not. It shouldn't even occur to you to think about other people's fertility based on their choices discussed in this thread. How does it affect you? How does it affect their ability to drive race cars?

I come back to: why can't we just let people get on and do what they want, (within the law).

[Teddy Lop]

Munter said:

Teddy Lop said:

. Happy now, is it legitimate now, to simply wonder and ask, about pushing bodies to extremes and that affects biology?

In my opinion no, in the context of this thread it's not. It shouldn't even occur to you to think about other people's fertility based on their choices discussed in this thread. How does it affect you? How does it affect their ability to drive race cars?

I come back to: why can't we just let people get on and do what they want, (within the law).

I would agree entirely with your last sentence and nothing I said would suggest otherwise.

This thread has gone beyond its title into the challenges of women in Motorsport in general.

What you need to understand is my asking that question is not the attack on women or their place in the sport you seem desperate to defend. I'm asking questions from a proactive POV. Maybe that's a tough question and I was indelicate. It might be the answer is "no" and I'd be happy for that to be demonstrated to me, but your attacking what thoughts I'm apparently allowed to let enter my mind is strange and silly.

[Munter]

Teddy Lop said:

I would agree entirely with your last sentence and nothing I said would suggest otherwise.

This thread has gone beyond its title into the challenges of women in Motorsport in general.

What you need to understand is my asking that question is not the attack on women or their place in the sport you seem desperate to defend. I'm asking questions from a proactive POV. Maybe that's a tough question and I was indelicate. It might be the answer is "no" and I'd be happy for that to be demonstrated to me, but your attacking what thoughts I'm apparently allowed to let enter my mind is strange and silly.

I disagree. Whatever thought process that led you to question women's fertility, more than mens fertility (until called on it and scrabbling around for an example to cover up), is incompatible with the modern world, and the only way you'll correct that is if people challenge you on it. Otherwise (as you've demonstrated) you'll continue believing it's ok to question if it's ok for women to do something, that you wouldn't think to question ina topic about men in the same context.

Notice you showed no interest in if male F1 drivers fertility might be affected by pushing their body. But with women in the equation suddenly it's something to consider.

Should we worry about Billy mongers fertility as he migjt have to push his body harder than other competitors? No of course not. He wants to race cars, so he's racing cars, that's all there is to it.

[Teddy Lop]

Munter said:

I disagree. Whatever thought process that led you to question women's fertility, more than mens fertility (until called on it and scrabbling around for an example to cover up), is incompatible with the modern world, and the only way you'll correct that is if people challenge you on it. Otherwise (as you've demonstrated) you'll continue believing it's ok to question if it's ok for women to do something, that you wouldn't think to question ina topic about men in the same context.

Notice you showed no interest in if male F1 drivers fertility might be affected by pushing their body. But with women in the equation suddenly it's something to consider.

Should we worry about Billy mongers fertility as he migjt have to push his body harder than other competitors? No of course not. He wants to race cars, so he's racing cars, that's all there is to it.

Why would I question male race driver fertility in a thread discussing the lack of women in the sport, the only reason I mentioned the male cyclist/sperm issue was to give you a male example of the question I'm asking.

Anyway this is silly, this is not a belief or a point of mine and this kind of ridiculous twisting what I say into something you can attack is petty and no doubt boring for everyone so I'm leaving it here (unless anyone with any science knowledge on the topic has anything of worth to add). This is a Motorsport discussion, keep the virtue signalling to the humanities groups huh.