Formula E 2018/19
Discussion
Fundoreen said:
Gave FE another chance. Idiot presenter knew more about the 'glorious' fascist architecture than the actual race series.
Usual low speed pile up after one or two laps. Race stopped. Indulged stoppage for a while then gave up. No idea who won or what happened.
Award for Most pointless contribution of the thread goes to FundoreenUsual low speed pile up after one or two laps. Race stopped. Indulged stoppage for a while then gave up. No idea who won or what happened.
telecat said:
Good race?? It's second only to BTCC in incidents and at least the tracks in BTCC allow the drivers to get away with little damage! As for the Rome race that track was abysmal. What happened to the long straight from last year? Generally speaking the Qualifying session is cruddy. Fan Boost is a joke, Always the same few drivers. As for the driving standards at least Lotterer has learned his lesson, just. The others including the current "champion" seem to think they are Matt Neal.
Don’t hold back mate. Tell us what you really think....Fundoreen said:
Gave FE another chance. Idiot presenter knew more about the 'glorious' fascist architecture than the actual race series.
Usual low speed pile up after one or two laps. Race stopped. Indulged stoppage for a while then gave up. No idea who won or what happened.
I thought Jack Nicholls' / Dario Franchetti commentary was actually quite good.Usual low speed pile up after one or two laps. Race stopped. Indulged stoppage for a while then gave up. No idea who won or what happened.
Mahindra's Paris pole and 6th in qualifying removed after tyre pressure infringement - https://www.crash.net/fe/news/918535/1/mahindras-t...
Very unusual weather in Paris for the race but didn't really ignite any excitement.
While watching the thunderous F1 race in Baku I wondered if an FE car would manage more that a lap or two and also how dull it would be waiting around in silence for 2-3 minutes till the snake of cars running bumper to bumper came round again.
While watching the thunderous F1 race in Baku I wondered if an FE car would manage more that a lap or two and also how dull it would be waiting around in silence for 2-3 minutes till the snake of cars running bumper to bumper came round again.
Why not say you wonder how a top fuel dragster would perform at Baku or a rally cross car? FE is not F1 and the cars/races are not designed to be compared. I wonder if an F1 car could even get around the FE tracks given what huge monsters they are these days?
Personally I'd much rather watch FE cars battling it around the streets than F1 cars pushing buttons to pass on ridiculously long straights but we're all different. Just be glad we live in a world with such a great variety of motorsport.
Personally I'd much rather watch FE cars battling it around the streets than F1 cars pushing buttons to pass on ridiculously long straights but we're all different. Just be glad we live in a world with such a great variety of motorsport.
Paris was the first FE race I’ve worked, previously I’ve watched them on TV, and the difference is marked. It’s a Series that is packaged for the audience at home, the coverage enables the Series to control the narrative and integrate the visuals to include the iconic city back drops far far easier than a stills photographer trackside can. It is also notable that the majority of the crowd are not in the stands but in the fan zone watching the world feed on the giant screens. It’s a full day of (free) action as well, first track session started at 07:30.
What TV doesn’t portray is the sheer brutality of the cars on track. These things are hammered through the corners, crashing over the kerbs and over the bumps. That is impressive. Also, they look absolute pigs to control, a massive excess of power to grip. Again, impressive to experience up close. Saying all that, driving standards were questionable.
The FE product (for that is what it is, a complete package with only some local hired in help) is quite a thing to see. The logistics and setup are huge and it all ‘just works’ for the most part. The message is very well controlled and a lot is demanded of the participants, you feel, but that seems to be reciprocated (see Lotterer missing Sebring for an FE sim test) and the nice thing is that they don’t give a toss about the naysayers. They’ve planted their flag, said “This is us. Don’t like it? Never mind, we do, we’ll keep on doing it” and are seemingly producing successful events.
That’s the key, I think. Agag, the founder, is a very clever guy and I think he completely understands that to spend time and energy trying to convince died in the wool ‘traditional’ motor racing fans who have already formed an opinion of it to change that view is wasted time. It’s the new markets they’re after and they seem to be capturing them. Yes, there is undoubtedly large amounts of OEM cash being pumped in and there is a need for FE to succeed, if for nothing else than to make everybody think they’re all kind to trees really. There are a lot of evangelists for FE, some more vociferous than others, but everybody I encountered last weekend was genuinely enthusiastic about it.
Personal opinion. Is it the future of motor racing? No. Is it part of the future? Yes. A lot of the more established Series’ could learn from some of the off track fan engagement stuff, but FE will always be different. It's not wrong, it's just different.
What TV doesn’t portray is the sheer brutality of the cars on track. These things are hammered through the corners, crashing over the kerbs and over the bumps. That is impressive. Also, they look absolute pigs to control, a massive excess of power to grip. Again, impressive to experience up close. Saying all that, driving standards were questionable.
The FE product (for that is what it is, a complete package with only some local hired in help) is quite a thing to see. The logistics and setup are huge and it all ‘just works’ for the most part. The message is very well controlled and a lot is demanded of the participants, you feel, but that seems to be reciprocated (see Lotterer missing Sebring for an FE sim test) and the nice thing is that they don’t give a toss about the naysayers. They’ve planted their flag, said “This is us. Don’t like it? Never mind, we do, we’ll keep on doing it” and are seemingly producing successful events.
That’s the key, I think. Agag, the founder, is a very clever guy and I think he completely understands that to spend time and energy trying to convince died in the wool ‘traditional’ motor racing fans who have already formed an opinion of it to change that view is wasted time. It’s the new markets they’re after and they seem to be capturing them. Yes, there is undoubtedly large amounts of OEM cash being pumped in and there is a need for FE to succeed, if for nothing else than to make everybody think they’re all kind to trees really. There are a lot of evangelists for FE, some more vociferous than others, but everybody I encountered last weekend was genuinely enthusiastic about it.
Personal opinion. Is it the future of motor racing? No. Is it part of the future? Yes. A lot of the more established Series’ could learn from some of the off track fan engagement stuff, but FE will always be different. It's not wrong, it's just different.
F1 manages to convey the brutality and excitement of the cars so no excuse for FE.
If its not comparable to F1 why go with the f1 bodywork and solid suspension?
Something like a baja desert car with compliant suspension for all the useless bumpy city roads would have made more sense.
People turn up for free events in any major city centre so if they walk away more aware of a green future its doing its job I guess.
As for TV viewers I doubt anyone not affected by managed hysteria will be keen.
Im reminded by the fake reviews for products on amazon that are being exposed at the moment.
If its not comparable to F1 why go with the f1 bodywork and solid suspension?
Something like a baja desert car with compliant suspension for all the useless bumpy city roads would have made more sense.
People turn up for free events in any major city centre so if they walk away more aware of a green future its doing its job I guess.
As for TV viewers I doubt anyone not affected by managed hysteria will be keen.
Im reminded by the fake reviews for products on amazon that are being exposed at the moment.
Gary C said:
Fan boost 
That to me says everything about FE
and not in a good way.
Get rid of gimmicks and have a few races on proper tracks.
Think you’re right about fan boost, it’s not needed. But hey it’s only a few seconds of the race and never affects it. That to me says everything about FE
and not in a good way.
Get rid of gimmicks and have a few races on proper tracks.
In terms of proper tracks, define proper tracks? I sorta get what you mean, but at least the tracks they are on provide action and good racing, something which can be lost on ‘proper’ tracks
I think running the current FE cars on what you would call "proper tracks" would show up the relative lack of speed. As a spectacular you would would twiddling your thumbs for a good couple of minutes waiting for the cars to re-appear. I think the city centre streets is the ideal location until the cars have been developed further and are faster.
cuprabob said:
I think running the current FE cars on what you would call "proper tracks" would show up the relative lack of speed. As a spectacular you would would twiddling your thumbs for a good couple of minutes waiting for the cars to re-appear. I think the city centre streets is the ideal location until the cars have been developed further and are faster.
Agreed. Let’s be frank, they’re not fast, but not are FE bothered about that, they have their USP and are doing well with it, just like Indycar aren’t fast compared to F1 but are doing quite nicely for themselves Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff