Discussion
thegreenhell said:
Channel 4 WTF!? Not showing the race live now because it was delayed, but still showing the filler programme they had afterwards that could easily have been dropped to make way.
From what's been said it appears C4 have a similar agreement to that of the BBC when they show live Formula E.Essentially they're given an alloted freeview broadcast time slot (between 70 - 80 mins) in which they're allowed to show the build up, race & any of the podium / interview (if there is any time remaining dependent on delays). Obviously due to the extreme delays today due to the weather and incident in the previous F1 quali they were timed out of the free to air slot they're allowed, hence directing people to the series social media for links.
Similar to the last race of FE in Germany that was on BBC. Due to it being so delayed because of the start line accident, the race eventually finished 5 minutes before the BBC / freeview broadcast slot came to a close, so they didn't show any of the podium, celebration, interviews, etc.
I see Mouton has had a pop at them series, bit odd considering she is supposed to represent female participation in motorsport, but it does show a certain feeling we all have I think, in that making a series solely for women kind of moves it away from the central point of not competing at an equal level.
You are in a way trying to force your way in, albeit being not matched against similar male opposition, and you can already see the fact tracking happening.
But this all felt to me like a knee jerk reaction, after the likes of Jorda, Wolff etc., even Danica NASCAR wise it was going nowhere, so let's a create a place where there is no male opposition.
However the cream rises as usual, it is clear there are some great female drivers, if they can prove their worth at an equal level let it be.
You are in a way trying to force your way in, albeit being not matched against similar male opposition, and you can already see the fact tracking happening.
But this all felt to me like a knee jerk reaction, after the likes of Jorda, Wolff etc., even Danica NASCAR wise it was going nowhere, so let's a create a place where there is no male opposition.
However the cream rises as usual, it is clear there are some great female drivers, if they can prove their worth at an equal level let it be.
LukeBrown66 said:
I see Mouton has had a pop at them series, bit odd considering she is supposed to represent female participation in motorsport, but it does show a certain feeling we all have I think, in that making a series solely for women kind of moves it away from the central point of not competing at an equal level.
You are in a way trying to force your way in, albeit being not matched against similar male opposition, and you can already see the fact tracking happening.
But this all felt to me like a knee jerk reaction, after the likes of Jorda, Wolff etc., even Danica NASCAR wise it was going nowhere, so let's a create a place where there is no male opposition.
However the cream rises as usual, it is clear there are some great female drivers, if they can prove their worth at an equal level let it be.
It’s a difficult one, there’s both pros and cons to the idea of an all-female series. On balance they’ve done it pretty well, and have got a lot of marketing for a number of the ladies involved in the series. You are in a way trying to force your way in, albeit being not matched against similar male opposition, and you can already see the fact tracking happening.
But this all felt to me like a knee jerk reaction, after the likes of Jorda, Wolff etc., even Danica NASCAR wise it was going nowhere, so let's a create a place where there is no male opposition.
However the cream rises as usual, it is clear there are some great female drivers, if they can prove their worth at an equal level let it be.
F1 is looking for three drivers at the moment - an American, a Chinese and a woman. But they have to be there on merit, have earned their super licence, and not just there as token drivers running round at the back of the field.
They really need to work on the progression though, the top two or three should graduate to Euro F3 or FIA F3 each year.
It will be really interesting to see the time difference between the FIA F3 and the W Series at Zandvoort today. The cars are the same Taurus F3 chassis, but the tyres are Hankooks for WS and Pirellis for F3.
Sandpit Steve said:
LukeBrown66 said:
I see Mouton has had a pop at them series, bit odd considering she is supposed to represent female participation in motorsport, but it does show a certain feeling we all have I think, in that making a series solely for women kind of moves it away from the central point of not competing at an equal level.
You are in a way trying to force your way in, albeit being not matched against similar male opposition, and you can already see the fact tracking happening.
But this all felt to me like a knee jerk reaction, after the likes of Jorda, Wolff etc., even Danica NASCAR wise it was going nowhere, so let's a create a place where there is no male opposition.
However the cream rises as usual, it is clear there are some great female drivers, if they can prove their worth at an equal level let it be.
It’s a difficult one, there’s both pros and cons to the idea of an all-female series. On balance they’ve done it pretty well, and have got a lot of marketing for a number of the ladies involved in the series. You are in a way trying to force your way in, albeit being not matched against similar male opposition, and you can already see the fact tracking happening.
But this all felt to me like a knee jerk reaction, after the likes of Jorda, Wolff etc., even Danica NASCAR wise it was going nowhere, so let's a create a place where there is no male opposition.
However the cream rises as usual, it is clear there are some great female drivers, if they can prove their worth at an equal level let it be.
F1 is looking for three drivers at the moment - an American, a Chinese and a woman. But they have to be there on merit, have earned their super licence, and not just there as token drivers running round at the back of the field.
They really need to work on the progression though, the top two or three should graduate to Euro F3 or FIA F3 each year.
It will be really interesting to see the time difference between the FIA F3 and the W Series at Zandvoort today. The cars are the same Taurus F3 chassis, but the tyres are Hankooks for WS and Pirellis for F3.
I d agree in most ways with Mouton though and she is in a position to know, with her involvement with so much in female motorsport.
I did not realise the reigning champ came back, agreed that should not be allowed. There are women in racing who do a great job, I think Legge has found her way fabulously at a very high level.
But I disagree with the marketing comment, in my experience, women rarely have an issue finding money to compete, unlike men, you can simply get the money to compete as a woman.
I did not realise the reigning champ came back, agreed that should not be allowed. There are women in racing who do a great job, I think Legge has found her way fabulously at a very high level.
But I disagree with the marketing comment, in my experience, women rarely have an issue finding money to compete, unlike men, you can simply get the money to compete as a woman.
Dinoboy said:
I think once theyve won it they shouldn't be allowed to compete in it again. Chadwick returning after winning the championship proves its not the route into proper series its supposed to be.
I agree. It should be a feeder series for F3 or similar. W Series champion gets a seat.MitchT said:
Dinoboy said:
I think once theyve won it they shouldn't be allowed to compete in it again. Chadwick returning after winning the championship proves its not the route into proper series its supposed to be.
I agree. It should be a feeder series for F3 or similar. W Series champion gets a seat.Race start at 5pm CEST/ 4pm UK https://twitter.com/tweetSP0RT/status/143416584075...
Does anyone know why in comparison to F3, FW has...
- No DRS
- Smaller, less sticky tyres than F3
- Less powerful engines
Intrigued on the basis that it's kind of supposed to be an alternative route as opposed to F3. Seems like it would be simpler and more representative if it was just an F3 clone but for women only.
- No DRS
- Smaller, less sticky tyres than F3
- Less powerful engines
Intrigued on the basis that it's kind of supposed to be an alternative route as opposed to F3. Seems like it would be simpler and more representative if it was just an F3 clone but for women only.
FourWheelDrift said:
Not allowed to run to F3 regulations or it's a competing F3 formula on the FIA race calendar, so they have to change things?
I don't see why that would matter tbh. Isn't the segregation sufficient for it to be 'different' enough?Just seems to me that it would be more useful for the drivers to face the same level of challenge (car wise) as they would in F3, as they will be with those same drivers when they progress to F2. W series alone can't get them in to F1 so they pretty much have to progress to F2.
Also it makes it very difficult to judge how competitive an FW winner might be vs an F3 winner, when both are ready to progress. That might possibly be intentional to prevent the negative press if direct comparisons were made... But whilst that would be kind in a way, it's not at all useful if a serious female talent does win FW as they would want and need to be compared to their male counterparts in F3 - because they'll need to be judged good enough to out compete one of them for the F2 seat!
It's as if they haven't thought about progression post FW. I know winning it will help their racing careers in general, but in terms of a route to F1 they'd be better just heading straight to F3 - as they have always been able to do of course.
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