2021 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and national rally)
Discussion
sanf said:
Hi Ryan, I was part of the Border Motor Club marshalling team you met on Saturday. We were with you on junction 7, it was my daughter who kept jumping every time the sniper let off a round, I've already forgotten your call sign, was it Brecon2?? I spent Monday cleaning the Discovery, dust everywhere!!
I was looking at some in car of SS4, and you can just see the Army instructor sitting next to the snipers if you know where to look.
Interesting overview of the R5 cars. Thanks for that.
Hey Sanf. Great meeting you and your crew. Your daughters reactions to the rounds going off was highly entertaining, she got used to it as the day went on tho I was looking at some in car of SS4, and you can just see the Army instructor sitting next to the snipers if you know where to look.
Interesting overview of the R5 cars. Thanks for that.
I'm still cleaning out dust from the Outback even now!
Taurus 2 is my callsign, I don't do many events out of wales at the moment so you'll only hear me if you make the trip back down.
I havent caught any review action from the rally tbh, but i'll have a look when work is quiet later
No more rallies/rallycross at Croft for the foreseeable future...........
http://www.croftcircuit.co.uk/news/1166/croft-stat...
http://www.croftcircuit.co.uk/news/1166/croft-stat...
It’s a few weeks old is that news about Croft, it coincided almost to the day with wen I moved to within earshot of Croft!. Nothing to do with me I hasten to add!
It doesn’t say for ever, but I’m not holding my breath, it does seem likely it’s the death knell for The Christmas Stages and Jack Frost though.
Given those two were money spinners for the circuit, in a time when circuit racing, or even track days are unlikely it seems a very narrow outlook.
It doesn’t say for ever, but I’m not holding my breath, it does seem likely it’s the death knell for The Christmas Stages and Jack Frost though.
Given those two were money spinners for the circuit, in a time when circuit racing, or even track days are unlikely it seems a very narrow outlook.
Anyone still interested in Rallying?
Just over 2 weeks until the 2021 Beatson's Building Supplies Mull Rally, this time a round of the British Rally Championship.
Press release:
https://mailchi.mp/5fb0714a2c8e/island-star-mackin...
Just over 2 weeks until the 2021 Beatson's Building Supplies Mull Rally, this time a round of the British Rally Championship.
Press release:
https://mailchi.mp/5fb0714a2c8e/island-star-mackin...
thepawbroon said:
Anyone still interested in Rallying?
Just over 2 weeks until the 2021 Beatson's Building Supplies Mull Rally, this time a round of the British Rally Championship.
Press release:
https://mailchi.mp/5fb0714a2c8e/island-star-mackin...
The Acropolis has been and gone, as have other events.......it's obviously not grabbing people's attention, for whatever reason. Unlike other series....Just over 2 weeks until the 2021 Beatson's Building Supplies Mull Rally, this time a round of the British Rally Championship.
Press release:
https://mailchi.mp/5fb0714a2c8e/island-star-mackin...
thepawbroon said:
Anyone still interested in Rallying?
Just over 2 weeks until the 2021 Beatson's Building Supplies Mull Rally, this time a round of the British Rally Championship.
Yes, have just registered for the MSVR/ MSN Circuit rally championship (and hope to do 3-4 rounds) and have also entered a small S/V rally at 3 Sisters kart track on 10 Oct. Rallying at club level can still be done cost effectively and is great fun (although Imam sure that many will moan that it isn’t “proper rallying”).Just over 2 weeks until the 2021 Beatson's Building Supplies Mull Rally, this time a round of the British Rally Championship.
Mull is probably beyond me, unfortunately (in terms of talent, money, time!)
Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 22 September 11:14
Yep still organizing and competing, not sure I'm brave enough for Mull, but my Ilkley Jubilee Historic went off well enough two weekends ago and I've just received the final instructions for the Tour of Cheshire this weekend.
Dansport Historic on the 9th and 10th October, then a single venue Targa at Warcop on the 23rd, followed by Rally if the Tests in November.
Plenty to keep me busy.
Dansport Historic on the 9th and 10th October, then a single venue Targa at Warcop on the 23rd, followed by Rally if the Tests in November.
Plenty to keep me busy.
The MSV stuff is basically like sprinting really, some of the events are OK, Oulton seems better but Brands, Snett, Cadwell are basically just chicane ridden time trials, I get why, but they are not really rallying as it ought to be, but it serves a purpose, keeps drivers and teams interested in the winter, occupies the venues nicely, and also allows fans to watch, as these days it is almost impossible nigh on dangerous to try and get into a single venue and watch thanks to garbage insurance and health and safety from the governing body.
Stage rallying is getting tougher for obvious reasons, but hopefully once Covid sods off it might be that closed roads really start to take off as they were before.
Stage rallying is getting tougher for obvious reasons, but hopefully once Covid sods off it might be that closed roads really start to take off as they were before.
thepawbroon said:
Anyone still interested in Rallying?
Slightly. Nowhere near as much as I used to be though. A shame Calum Duffy isn't on the Mull entry. I expected more BRC crews after all the hype but I suppose if the championship format allows you to not turn up for a round and still be champion then crews are going to miss the event that probably costs the most to do in time and money terms.
LukeBrown66 said:
The MSV stuff is basically like sprinting really, some of the events are OK, Oulton seems better but Brands, Snett, Cadwell are basically just chicane ridden time trials, I get why, but they are not really rallying as it ought to be, but it serves a purpose, keeps drivers and teams interested in the winter, occupies the venues nicely, and also allows fans to watch, as these days it is almost impossible nigh on dangerous to try and get into a single venue and watch thanks to garbage insurance and health and safety from the governing body.
Stage rallying is getting tougher for obvious reasons, but hopefully once Covid sods off it might be that closed roads really start to take off as they were before.
I was expecting this sort of reply and I can see where you are coming from but let’s be fair, a Sprint / hillclimb is about 4-6 x 30-40 secs worth of adrenaline in a day compared to a total of 40-60 mins track time on circuit rally - far better value for money - and the (few) events I have done have not had many chicanes at all but all have had their challenging sections, including short gravel sections on some.Stage rallying is getting tougher for obvious reasons, but hopefully once Covid sods off it might be that closed roads really start to take off as they were before.
I get that they aren’t “proper rallies” but people forget that “proper rallying” (by which is usually meant forest, gravel or tarmac multi stage rallies) probably only really started in the 1960s and before that “proper rallying” was actually long distance navigational and road rallying more akin to today’s Le Jog, the “rally of the tests” event or even Targas.
The circuit rallies are extremely competitive and quick at the front but they are also a great place for novices to start, for people to transfer from racing or to transfer from track days. If it’s not “proper rallying”, I will still take it because I doubt I have the skill, money or time to go to the forests or Mull etc. Instead of disparaging remarks, more people should be encouraged to take them up and more events should be put on because they are an excellent entry point into the sport, difficult events in their own right (without a lot of skill and practice) and great value for money.
Oh, and whilst I hope to be able to do a closed road rally or two in the future, I really think that they may be short lived once the environmentalists and local free road access campaigners get them in their sights. Be careful what you wish for.
Edited by andy97 on Thursday 23 September 14:27
Andy97 is dead right there, rallying evolved massively in the late sixties and seventies.
The closest thing now to what a ‘proper’ rally was in the early sixties is probably LeJog. The closest thing to a clubman stage event from from say the early seventies is probably the Circuit stage events or the bigger multi venue Targas like the Bath Festival or Devils Targa.
The closest thing now to what a ‘proper’ rally was in the early sixties is probably LeJog. The closest thing to a clubman stage event from from say the early seventies is probably the Circuit stage events or the bigger multi venue Targas like the Bath Festival or Devils Targa.
LukeBrown66 said:
The MSV stuff is basically like sprinting really, some of the events are OK, Oulton seems better but Brands, Snett, Cadwell are basically just chicane ridden time trials, I get why, but they are not really rallying as it ought to be, but it serves a purpose, keeps drivers and teams interested in the winter, occupies the venues nicely, and also allows fans to watch, as these days it is almost impossible nigh on dangerous to try and get into a single venue and watch thanks to garbage insurance and health and safety from the governing body.
Stage rallying is getting tougher for obvious reasons, but hopefully once Covid sods off it might be that closed roads really start to take off as they were before.
So a 5-mile stage around say Cadwell "including" chicanes is less of a rally than a 5-mile stage around the cone laid out airfield at Leconfield (a single venue event that is not a race circuit) In fact a lot of single venue events are basically a blast around an old airfield/ army camp with cones and chicanes.Stage rallying is getting tougher for obvious reasons, but hopefully once Covid sods off it might be that closed roads really start to take off as they were before.
If you read that reply it is not massively critical, but having been to watch both types of event over many years, I do prefer a proper stage or single venue event, especially when you could wander around at some venues and fine better vantage points. Those days are gone, this is what we have to put up with.
Every single MSV event I have attended has been simply using the circuit predominantly, in the past circuit events used a more even split between tracks, paddock, gravel roads, inner tracks etc, the events now seem to solely focus on the track and even at say Brands half of it ( I know why you all start bleating) hence the sprint comment. I know at some venues other track usage is limited, but it seems a shame to not use more of the available sealed surface or even bits of unsealed.
I recall at Donington, a track with many areas you could use for a bit of variety, a lot of it was dropped to focus far more on the racetrack, again I understand why, this is about making money and not having to do days of maintenance after an event, (especially to his lordships grass), but surely using those areas would be more interesting for drivers, fans etc? Again that seems not to be the point sadly.
The events have a clear idea, focus and are popular, so it works, but I wonder if there was more variety in events available would they even exist, I doubt it.
Every single MSV event I have attended has been simply using the circuit predominantly, in the past circuit events used a more even split between tracks, paddock, gravel roads, inner tracks etc, the events now seem to solely focus on the track and even at say Brands half of it ( I know why you all start bleating) hence the sprint comment. I know at some venues other track usage is limited, but it seems a shame to not use more of the available sealed surface or even bits of unsealed.
I recall at Donington, a track with many areas you could use for a bit of variety, a lot of it was dropped to focus far more on the racetrack, again I understand why, this is about making money and not having to do days of maintenance after an event, (especially to his lordships grass), but surely using those areas would be more interesting for drivers, fans etc? Again that seems not to be the point sadly.
The events have a clear idea, focus and are popular, so it works, but I wonder if there was more variety in events available would they even exist, I doubt it.
LukeBrown66 said:
If you read that reply it is not massively critical, but having been to watch both types of event over many years, I do prefer a proper stage or single venue event, especially when you could wander around at some venues and fine better vantage points. Those days are gone, this is what we have to put up with.
Every single MSV event I have attended has been simply using the circuit predominantly, in the past circuit events used a more even split between tracks, paddock, gravel roads, inner tracks etc, the events now seem to solely focus on the track and even at say Brands half of it ( I know why you all start bleating) hence the sprint comment. I know at some venues other track usage is limited, but it seems a shame to not use more of the available sealed surface or even bits of unsealed.
I recall at Donington, a track with many areas you could use for a bit of variety, a lot of it was dropped to focus far more on the racetrack, again I understand why, this is about making money and not having to do days of maintenance after an event, (especially to his lordships grass), but surely using those areas would be more interesting for drivers, fans etc? Again that seems not to be the point sadly.
The events have a clear idea, focus and are popular, so it works, but I wonder if there was more variety in events available would they even exist, I doubt it.
So is closed road rallying not "basically just chicane-ridden time trials"? (But then again rallying has always been a time trial)Every single MSV event I have attended has been simply using the circuit predominantly, in the past circuit events used a more even split between tracks, paddock, gravel roads, inner tracks etc, the events now seem to solely focus on the track and even at say Brands half of it ( I know why you all start bleating) hence the sprint comment. I know at some venues other track usage is limited, but it seems a shame to not use more of the available sealed surface or even bits of unsealed.
I recall at Donington, a track with many areas you could use for a bit of variety, a lot of it was dropped to focus far more on the racetrack, again I understand why, this is about making money and not having to do days of maintenance after an event, (especially to his lordships grass), but surely using those areas would be more interesting for drivers, fans etc? Again that seems not to be the point sadly.
The events have a clear idea, focus and are popular, so it works, but I wonder if there was more variety in events available would they even exist, I doubt it.
You see to me rallying is trying to evolve unlike some. We can all hark back to "better times" but that is not where we are. So take for what it is, or walk away, because things like "garbage insurance and health and safety" are here to stay.
I have walked away from club level rallying, as a fan or speccy it is almost hidden now and unwatchable to be honest which is a shame, it never used to be.
AS for the insurance comment, I am aware of how it all works, and the closed roads I have seen are not as chicane strewn as MSV events, I watched one a few years ago at Snett and watched every stage onboard a quick car, he never got into top gear once, that is not really a rally in its truest sense. But they work for what they do and I will still attend the odd one.
Again I get it, I get why all this happens but as I say, this is not rallying as it ought to and should be, so I leave it alone, I watch the odd event that still caters for my tastes, but not many do sadly.
AS for the insurance comment, I am aware of how it all works, and the closed roads I have seen are not as chicane strewn as MSV events, I watched one a few years ago at Snett and watched every stage onboard a quick car, he never got into top gear once, that is not really a rally in its truest sense. But they work for what they do and I will still attend the odd one.
Again I get it, I get why all this happens but as I say, this is not rallying as it ought to and should be, so I leave it alone, I watch the odd event that still caters for my tastes, but not many do sadly.
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