2021 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and national rally)
Discussion
https://www.britishrallychampionship.co.uk/news/br...
BRC calendar; looks pretty decent, though as usual, plenty of moaners on social media.
BRC calendar; looks pretty decent, though as usual, plenty of moaners on social media.
LukeBrown66 said:
Too much Wales as usual, but great for Clacton, I guess the only reason for Wales is perhaps cost and availability, must be tough to get forest elsewhere
I think there is still some uncertainty about rallying in England's forests. Also with dates having to be in so early, it may not have been feasible to include more English forests.ArnageWRC said:
https://www.britishrallychampionship.co.uk/news/br...
BRC calendar; looks pretty decent, though as usual, plenty of moaners on social media.
I see the Trackrod has moved to Hartlepool.BRC calendar; looks pretty decent, though as usual, plenty of moaners on social media.
We had a good event, thankfully when we stopped at the Clan the crew seemed in good spirits considering the state it was in.
Interesting comments in today's comic.....
My RS at Salen.How many other shots have been taken there over the years......
It wasn't mine - I'd borrowed it
Interesting comments in today's comic.....
JustGREENI said:
My RS at Salen.
It wasn't mine - I'd borrowed it
https://www.britishrallychampionship.co.uk/results...
BRC Cambrian Rally.
First time out in the forests for me in nearly 2 years; was good to be back. Spent the day in Alwen, weather was actually nice - cool & sunny.
BRC Cambrian Rally.
First time out in the forests for me in nearly 2 years; was good to be back. Spent the day in Alwen, weather was actually nice - cool & sunny.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-wont-run-pr...
New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
ArnageWRC said:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-wont-run-pr...
New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
But think of the fuel the hybrids will save…. New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
epom said:
ArnageWRC said:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-wont-run-pr...
New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
But think of the fuel the hybrids will save…. New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
If the regs weren’t changing there’d be no manufacturers.
The hybrid will be used in certain areas in road sections to showcase zero emission rallying.
I don’t get the hate.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
epom said:
ArnageWRC said:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyundai-wont-run-pr...
New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
But think of the fuel the hybrids will save…. New Hybrid car expected to be more expensive; well that's marvellous, isn't it? No wonder no new manufacturers have joined.
If the regs weren’t changing there’d be no manufacturers.
The hybrid will be used in certain areas in road sections to showcase zero emission rallying.
I don’t get the hate.
ArnageWRC said:
Have you actually read the article? It's not hate; it's despair at them making another poor decision. The expense of the cars, added to the poor return on investment, and poor promotion/ lack of free to air coverage is telling. There doesn't appear to be any new manufacturers. They should have gone for the cheaper option, R5+ with hybrids......
It comes across as hate though.I don’t remember any suggestion by the FIA or R5 plus hybrid. I do remember some comments of the BRF that this should be the way to go.
In my view the WRC cars should only be driven by professional drivers like F1 cars are. You use the lower categories to demonstrate your driving ability.
As for paywall…. It generates an income for someone, if you love rallying you’ll pay the premium.
The biggest reason for the decline in the public’s interest in rallying in the UK is the neutering of the RAC rally.
The elite class in rallying has suffered since everyone quit the World Rally class a long time ago, you lost Subaru, Mitsubishi, Suzuki only started, Skoda, SEAT, that was the zenith of WRC in my eyes and it has not really been as good since, there have been the odd years but most of it has been predictable and dominated by two Frenchmen. Not great for fans.
But you go back through the ages and it has ups and downs. Ups being the peak Gp4 days, GpB from about 84=86, the GpA years from about 93-97 and then WRC. Downs being early GpB, GpA and most of the late WRC ad 1600 era.
The cars now are great to watch but the rallies are not, they are all sprints, so the cars have developed a certain way, as servicing is easier, time is easier, you get bloody points even if you crash out ffs, it is crazy, all to keep manufacturers involved.
The rights holders are only ever interested in manufacturers as they think that is all that matters, but it is not.
For me you have two classes, R5 and R5+, if that needs to be hybrid fair enough, but it can be added to an R5 to make it possible to step up. They won't do it as it would cost a fortune to make a hybrid system that cheaply and easily, when you have a 30 million budget + and only need to use it on 2 cars a year.
But you go back through the ages and it has ups and downs. Ups being the peak Gp4 days, GpB from about 84=86, the GpA years from about 93-97 and then WRC. Downs being early GpB, GpA and most of the late WRC ad 1600 era.
The cars now are great to watch but the rallies are not, they are all sprints, so the cars have developed a certain way, as servicing is easier, time is easier, you get bloody points even if you crash out ffs, it is crazy, all to keep manufacturers involved.
The rights holders are only ever interested in manufacturers as they think that is all that matters, but it is not.
For me you have two classes, R5 and R5+, if that needs to be hybrid fair enough, but it can be added to an R5 to make it possible to step up. They won't do it as it would cost a fortune to make a hybrid system that cheaply and easily, when you have a 30 million budget + and only need to use it on 2 cars a year.
LukeBrown66 said:
The elite class in rallying has suffered since everyone quit the World Rally class a long time ago, you lost Subaru, Mitsubishi, Suzuki only started, Skoda, SEAT, that was the zenith of WRC in my eyes and it has not really been as good since, there have been the odd years but most of it has been predictable and dominated by two Frenchmen. Not great for fans.
The high point of the modern era was probably between 1997-2003; when plenty of manufacturers all signed up. The promise of riches thanks to new technology and better TV coverage/ highlights tempted them in. Sadly, the riches never came, plus we had 16 WRC rounds; that's expensive. So, one by one they left. When at the end of 2005 Mitsubishi, Skoda, Peugeot all left; action should have been taken; to lose 3 manufacturers in one fell swoop is rather alarming - and suggests something isn't right. Alas, as usual with the WRC, carry on regardless, everything is fine.Edited by ArnageWRC on Wednesday 10th November 15:59
That is the same with a lot of sports, how they can justify charging people to watch it live I don't know., I suppose as long as a few hundred saps pay up it makes it profitable.
Rallying has been emasculated so much in recent years, I am amazed it is still around, but in person, at events, it is still hugely popular the world over, which for me explains then lack of tv coverage and interest, as it is one of those sports that really is so, so much better live.
MotoGP, F1, WEC are far, far better being watched on telly in my eyes, I cannot understand why people pay the immensely over inflated prices to watch any of them live really. But WRC is far better in person
Rallying has been emasculated so much in recent years, I am amazed it is still around, but in person, at events, it is still hugely popular the world over, which for me explains then lack of tv coverage and interest, as it is one of those sports that really is so, so much better live.
MotoGP, F1, WEC are far, far better being watched on telly in my eyes, I cannot understand why people pay the immensely over inflated prices to watch any of them live really. But WRC is far better in person
LukeBrown66 said:
That is the same with a lot of sports, how they can justify charging people to watch it live I don't know., I suppose as long as a few hundred saps pay up it makes it profitable.
Rallying has been emasculated so much in recent years, I am amazed it is still around, but in person, at events, it is still hugely popular the world over, which for me explains then lack of tv coverage and interest, as it is one of those sports that really is so, so much better live.
MotoGP, F1, WEC are far, far better being watched on telly in my eyes, I cannot understand why people pay the immensely over inflated prices to watch any of them live really. But WRC is far better in person
That is a really important point, even clubman rallying is great to watch. Rallying has been emasculated so much in recent years, I am amazed it is still around, but in person, at events, it is still hugely popular the world over, which for me explains then lack of tv coverage and interest, as it is one of those sports that really is so, so much better live.
MotoGP, F1, WEC are far, far better being watched on telly in my eyes, I cannot understand why people pay the immensely over inflated prices to watch any of them live really. But WRC is far better in person
I subscribe to WRC Live but tbh there's no way I could tolerate watching the whole field on one stage. Yet I loved watching every single rally I've seen in person - the first was Tour of Mull 1973 and the most recent was Roger Albert Clark in 2019.
LukeBrown66 said:
But you go back through the ages and it has ups and downs. Ups being the peak Gp4 days, GpB from about 84=86, the GpA years from about 93-97 and then WRC. Downs being early GpB, GpA and most of the late WRC ad 1600 era.
For me, the highs were the Grp.1/2/4 era pre-Grp B, and the early years of Grp.A, as like Grp.2/4 the cars were much more related to the homologated road cars.....by late 90's when I had by then no longer become involved in the sport, the events had become far too sprint like, and by the 2000's and since then cars have become too much like the Grp.B F1 cars for the stages and way too expensive and silly.But, I'm not a rally fan from a spectator point of view....if I wasn't competing or involved with service crew etc or marshalling, I'm not really that interested. Rallying for me was always about the participation, and I've never seen it as a 'spectator' sport....it was something you took an interest in as your were involved with it. In 15 years of being involved with it, I only ever 'spectated' from a pure spectator pov, twice I think. Once on the RAC in '84 and once on the Monte in '95.
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