Maddest race cars

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ChevronB19

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3,895 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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NFC 85 Vette said:
AmosMoses said:
Race cars, has to be the front engined dragsters of the 60s. Imagine if a diff let go...





My first race car was a Nostalgia Top Fuel car - 161" wheelbase and a Big Block Chevy running on 95% nitro. You mention diffs letting go, this one was the traditional 'legs over' arrangement, where you're sat behind the back axle with your legs straddling the driveshaft, and crotch nestled behind the diff casing.

The more dodgy way of doing it was in a 'legs under' arrangement, where you slid your legs beneath the axle. In the event of that letting go, instead of losing your gentleman sausage like you would in a legs over car, it would probably result in the ring gear taking out your stomach and insides, quite unpleasant. That type of car lost its appeal quite quickly, as did most front engine cars after Garlits had his foot blown off.

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My car was something of a handful, it weighed around 800kg and made around 3000bhp. Unfortunately we didn't get much track time and the option to go racing an Altered and get paid (pennies) came up so we transplanted the engine to a Fiat Topolino Altered and had a crack at that.
Any pics of the Topolino? Love drag cars, but will stick to circuits myself!

thewarlock

3,028 posts

25 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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NFC 85 Vette said:
My first race car was a Nostalgia Top Fuel car - 161" wheelbase and a Big Block Chevy running on 95% nitro. You mention diffs letting go, this one was the traditional 'legs over' arrangement, where you're sat behind the back axle with your legs straddling the driveshaft, and crotch nestled behind the diff casing.

The more dodgy way of doing it was in a 'legs under' arrangement, where you slid your legs beneath the axle. In the event of that letting go, instead of losing your gentleman sausage like you would in a legs over car, it would probably result in the ring gear taking out your stomach and insides, quite unpleasant. That type of car lost its appeal quite quickly, as did most front engine cars after Garlits had his foot blown off.

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My car was something of a handful, it weighed around 800kg and made around 3000bhp. Unfortunately we didn't get much track time and the option to go racing an Altered and get paid (pennies) came up so we transplanted the engine to a Fiat Topolino Altered and had a crack at that.
Good info, thanks for sharing.

Would also be interested in seeing the Fiat!

anonymous-user

34 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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ChevronB19 said:
Any pics of the Topolino? Love drag cars, but will stick to circuits myself!

The last weekend with the car, with a 496cid KB - made a good amount of power, and we had just started to get the clutch into the operating window. The final run was an early shutoff 6.69/173mph having launched in high gear (in the hope of having a simple A to B run on a new engine). Having clocked 183mph at the 1/8th, had it held together, we were looking at a 6.40 or so at 230-235mph despite it being really soft to at least 330ft. Not record breaking, but decent enough. It probably had the potential to run low 6's and some big speeds - maybe one day I'll have another crack at it, but for now I'm focused on getting the Corvette Funny Car finished (build thread in readers cars for those interested).


Big Block Chevy days - lots of noise and torque, horrible to maintain

pits

6,270 posts

170 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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For me these have to be up there for road cars appreciate two are concepts as such, but still utterly mad.
Vector W8, just absolutely everything about them


Nazca BMW M12, the doors/roof was just late 80's early 90's "how can we make something even crazier"


Of course the Cizeta (Moroder) V16T

ChevronB19

Original Poster:

3,895 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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NFC 85 Vette said:
ChevronB19 said:
Any pics of the Topolino? Love drag cars, but will stick to circuits myself!

The last weekend with the car, with a 496cid KB - made a good amount of power, and we had just started to get the clutch into the operating window. The final run was an early shutoff 6.69/173mph having launched in high gear (in the hope of having a simple A to B run on a new engine). Having clocked 183mph at the 1/8th, had it held together, we were looking at a 6.40 or so at 230-235mph despite it being really soft to at least 330ft. Not record breaking, but decent enough. It probably had the potential to run low 6's and some big speeds - maybe one day I'll have another crack at it, but for now I'm focused on getting the Corvette Funny Car finished (build thread in readers cars for those interested).


Big Block Chevy days - lots of noise and torque, horrible to maintain
Wonderful! Is the cover at the front an aerodynamic device, or is it a radiator (or both)? Sorry, bad eyesight and I can’t tell!

Shaun_E

745 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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For the Nic Mann fans - his hill-climb special is slightly mad in that it uses a separately fuelled helicopter turbine instead of a turbo or supercharger!
http://raceenginedesign.co.uk/the-manic-beattie/
Holds the Sports Libre class record at Shelsley Walsh!

anonymous-user

34 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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ChevronB19 said:
Wonderful! Is the cover at the front an aerodynamic device, or is it a radiator (or both)? Sorry, bad eyesight and I can’t tell!
It was the fuel tank - a rather large one (around 19 gallons, the norm tends to be 12-15 gallons). Originally it had a rounded front and relied on self weight to produce enough load on the front axle and keep the front end down. As we wanted to retain a period look, it didn't have a front wing - but like an old Miura, as it burned fuel, the front would become light and would pick the front wheels up and wheelstand at 180mph+.



For the following season, the front of the tank was cut off and re-profiled with some end fences added, to make the tank work in more of an aero way.



It made a slight difference, but it still picked the front up. I expect eventually we'd have gone with plan B, which would be a perspex single element front wing - so something not massively obvious until you're close up, but with some useful downforce. The wheelbase was 125" but looked a lot shorter by clever placement of the front axle (normally a torsion beam front axle would be mounted further back, in line with the back of the tank).

The majority of Altereds tend to be Funny Car chassis' with a different body. The Funny Car front end is a bit better for weight placement over the front end - the fuel tank sitting ahead of the front axle.


Corvette piccy for comparisonsmile

jsf

26,814 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th January 2021
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Shaun_E said:
For the Nic Mann fans - his hill-climb special is slightly mad in that it uses a separately fuelled helicopter turbine instead of a turbo or supercharger!
http://raceenginedesign.co.uk/the-manic-beattie/
Holds the Sports Libre class record at Shelsley Walsh!
you should enjoy this https://www.facebook.com/STAVTECH/videos/248655373...

Features Nick and also the Subaru Rocket

Cambs_Stuart

1,889 posts

64 months

Thursday 21st January 2021
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Not sure if land speed record cars are allowed, but I've always thought the golden arrow was an amazing thing.


Matt Cup

2,548 posts

84 months

Thursday 21st January 2021
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Edited by Matt Cup on Thursday 21st January 21:12

lufbramatt

4,890 posts

114 months

Thursday 21st January 2021
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1935 Monaco-Trossi

Someone evidently thought that powering a Grand Prix car with a 16 cylinder 2-stroke radial engine through the front wheels was a good idea.


David_M

333 posts

30 months

Thursday 21st January 2021
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jimmytheone said:
Max_Torque said:
For me, this is pretty much top of the list:




yes, a race car, but one that took it's most famous drive on a public road:



If you didn't know, you'd think the footage had been speeded up.........
I’ve seen that before but it doesn’t get any less crazy. Surely that must be approaching the limits of human life given the G involved? Fuchsrorh for example and flazgarten2.
I think that the video of it going around Spa to set the record is more impressive - it just looks impossibly fast around the corners, up hills, everywhere!

Cambs_Stuart

1,889 posts

64 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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lufbramatt said:
1935 Monaco-Trossi

Someone evidently thought that powering a Grand Prix car with a 16 cylinder 2-stroke radial engine through the front wheels was a good idea.

That is fantastic. Wouldn't like to be behind it when it started up though...

Jim Spencer

133 posts

202 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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This..

If Carlsberg did racing cars this is what they'd look and sound like:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk89EqfGme4


Equus

13,876 posts

81 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Cambs_Stuart said:
Not sure if land speed record cars are allowed, but I've always thought the golden arrow was an amazing thing.

If LSR cars are allowed, then the Golden Arrow is amazing, but not mad.

This is mad:


Up to 20 solid fuel JATO rockets. No throttle - once they're lit, they're lit until they burn out.

Literally a case of light the blue touchpaper and stand WELL back!

Kawasicki

11,296 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Equus said:
If LSR cars are allowed, then the Golden Arrow is amazing, but not mad.

This is mad:


Up to 20 solid fuel JATO rockets. No throttle - once they're lit, they're lit until they burn out.

Literally a case of light the blue touchpaper and stand WELL back!
cool as f.

Kawasicki

11,296 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Late 20's Opel rocket car... around 150mph.


jsf

26,814 posts

216 months

Friday 22nd January 2021
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Kawasicki said:
Late 20's Opel rocket car... around 150mph.

Mad fker has got lift generating wings on it.

ChevronB19

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pits

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170 months

Monday 1st February 2021
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Jim Spencer said:
This..

If Carlsberg did racing cars this is what they'd look and sound like:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk89EqfGme4
Surely if Carlsberg made it then it would just buy a can of piss with nothing really to it hehe