Formula E 2021 race and season discussion
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They said in commentary that someone has done it previously and that's why they brought in the physical stop at the box rather than just drive through.
Tbh the speed of the safety car is laughable if you can go through the pit lane stop and then come out ahead of the safety car like DG did.
It's not as if we are talking about some technical sections of track like Canada they literally had a corner to turn at the end of the straight.
Tbh the speed of the safety car is laughable if you can go through the pit lane stop and then come out ahead of the safety car like DG did.
It's not as if we are talking about some technical sections of track like Canada they literally had a corner to turn at the end of the straight.
Slightly different scenario, but did not Senna get fastest lap at the Donington Grand Prix on one of his pit in laps (at the time the GP loop pit entrance was on the back staright before the hairpin and cut out a huge chunk of that section of track) As far as I'm aware that stood as legitimate
ajprice said:
Di Grassi almost but not quite coming to a stop. If he had stopped completely he wouldn't have had a penalty
https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/14193257144...
He really did grab defeat from the jaws of victory there, a clever team move with terrible execution!https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/14193257144...
SmoothCriminal said:
They said in commentary that someone has done it previously and that's why they brought in the physical stop at the box rather than just drive through.
Tbh the speed of the safety car is laughable if you can go through the pit lane stop and then come out ahead of the safety car like DG did.
It's not as if we are talking about some technical sections of track like Canada they literally had a corner to turn at the end of the straight.
In fairness the car being recovered and the jcb on the track was at the end of the main straight which may have slowed it. He only just made it out level with the safety car as it was.Tbh the speed of the safety car is laughable if you can go through the pit lane stop and then come out ahead of the safety car like DG did.
It's not as if we are talking about some technical sections of track like Canada they literally had a corner to turn at the end of the straight.
Yesterday's race was much less of a dodgems event.
ch37 said:
ajprice said:
Di Grassi almost but not quite coming to a stop. If he had stopped completely he wouldn't have had a penalty
https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/14193257144...
He really did grab defeat from the jaws of victory there, a clever team move with terrible execution!https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/14193257144...
Watched this today. Don't watch it very often but sometimes the unpredictable nature of it can be entertaining.
I think I've seen less contact in the BTCC. Drivers almost looking like they were taking other cars out on purpose or retaliation moves.
The track was awful. What on earth is the point of putting a double hairpin/chicane in that's so tight the cars struggle to get through using full lock?!
I actually had the chance to get tickets to this through my employer. I'm glad I didn't.
I think I've seen less contact in the BTCC. Drivers almost looking like they were taking other cars out on purpose or retaliation moves.
The track was awful. What on earth is the point of putting a double hairpin/chicane in that's so tight the cars struggle to get through using full lock?!
I actually had the chance to get tickets to this through my employer. I'm glad I didn't.
ArnageWRC said:
One gets the feeling that they're trying to be 'too clever'; "Oh look at us, we've put our circuit in a car park, and our pits indoors". I dip in and out of Formula E, but get fed up with all the penalties......I find it a real turn off.
Spot on.We popped over due to a sponsor's invitation, and the entire event could've been put together by a bunch of politicians. Anyone remember visiting the Millenium Dome ?
Track and format is contrived resulting in a dog's dinner.
To be a real sport they need to race on real circuits.
ajprice said:
ch37 said:
ajprice said:
Di Grassi almost but not quite coming to a stop. If he had stopped completely he wouldn't have had a penalty
https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/14193257144...
He really did grab defeat from the jaws of victory there, a clever team move with terrible execution!https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/14193257144...
I've tried to get into Formula E a few times, watching some Races and Highlights but I just really can't get on with it.
From what I have seen the circuits are badly designed and the driving standards are extremely poor.
I think unless they can get to a point where the cars can race on proper or even well designed tracks and also clean up the driving it will slowly die off.
Also, the 'green credentials' of the championship are surely written off with the amount of replacement carbon fibre they go through every weekend?
From what I have seen the circuits are badly designed and the driving standards are extremely poor.
I think unless they can get to a point where the cars can race on proper or even well designed tracks and also clean up the driving it will slowly die off.
Also, the 'green credentials' of the championship are surely written off with the amount of replacement carbon fibre they go through every weekend?
s-x-i said:
I've tried to get into Formula E a few times, watching some Races and Highlights but I just really can't get on with it.
From what I have seen the circuits are badly designed and the driving standards are extremely poor.
I think unless they can get to a point where the cars can race on proper or even well designed tracks and also clean up the driving it will slowly die off.
Also, the 'green credentials' of the championship are surely written off with the amount of replacement carbon fibre they go through every weekend?
From what I have seen the circuits are badly designed and the driving standards are extremely poor.
I think unless they can get to a point where the cars can race on proper or even well designed tracks and also clean up the driving it will slowly die off.
Also, the 'green credentials' of the championship are surely written off with the amount of replacement carbon fibre they go through every weekend?
Carbon fibre is made in a 2000 degrees autoclave powered by electricity made exclusively from angel farts.
We watch some of it, something to watch (normally after all the good stuff) but the whole things pretty amatuerish, but then what do you expect when the whole things setup to be a political sop. After they took werleins win away the other week we just switched off and deleted race 2 unwatched. Mind, there's a lot of weird penalties flying around in nearly every series we follow.
s-x-i said:
I've tried to get into Formula E a few times, watching some Races and Highlights but I just really can't get on with it.
From what I have seen the circuits are badly designed and the driving standards are extremely poor.
I think unless they can get to a point where the cars can race on proper or even well designed tracks and also clean up the driving it will slowly die off.
Also, the 'green credentials' of the championship are surely written off with the amount of replacement carbon fibre they go through every weekend?
Green Credentials ?From what I have seen the circuits are badly designed and the driving standards are extremely poor.
I think unless they can get to a point where the cars can race on proper or even well designed tracks and also clean up the driving it will slowly die off.
Also, the 'green credentials' of the championship are surely written off with the amount of replacement carbon fibre they go through every weekend?
The number of diesel trucks / JCB's / fork lifts etc required to rig and de-rig the Mickey Mouse tracks is pretty staggering.
Do they not mention this on the tv coverage ?
I've just watched the London race as there was nothing else motorsport related on TV, and I thought why not as might be interesting as I work in Docklands and the novelty factor of the pits being inside Excel. This was my 2nd ever attempt at watching FormulaE after the original start of the concept with the laughable car swapping exercise. Anyway in summary the most interesting bit was Allan McNish sprinting and the "Audi" jumping the queue in the pit lane. If this was the FIA pinnacle of electric car racing then i'll not bother watching again, I can't imagine how tedious it must be attending in person, even with all the demolition derby antics. Electric karts would have been a better solution.
As a participant in motorsport I found the whole thing heavily contrived with the appaling tiny track layout designed to stop any attempt at a clean pass, and the seemingly pointless boost thing. I was also under the impression all the cars were identical so whats with the car manufacturer branding?! Can the organisers also make their mind up if its open wheel formula racing or not, as the wheel arches seem to be optional.
I genuinly want to see exciting racing powered by electricity, but please allow the cars to have some space to get some actual speed up and have a choice of lines to, you know, overtake without punting other people off. I want to see cars and drivers pushing the performance envelope.
As a participant in motorsport I found the whole thing heavily contrived with the appaling tiny track layout designed to stop any attempt at a clean pass, and the seemingly pointless boost thing. I was also under the impression all the cars were identical so whats with the car manufacturer branding?! Can the organisers also make their mind up if its open wheel formula racing or not, as the wheel arches seem to be optional.
I genuinly want to see exciting racing powered by electricity, but please allow the cars to have some space to get some actual speed up and have a choice of lines to, you know, overtake without punting other people off. I want to see cars and drivers pushing the performance envelope.
drmotorsport said:
I've just watched the London race as there was nothing else motorsport related on TV, and I thought why not as might be interesting as I work in Docklands and the novelty factor of the pits being inside Excel. This was my 2nd ever attempt at watching FormulaE after the original start of the concept with the laughable car swapping exercise. Anyway in summary the most interesting bit was Allan McNish sprinting and the "Audi" jumping the queue in the pit lane. If this was the FIA pinnacle of electric car racing then i'll not bother watching again, I can't imagine how tedious it must be attending in person, even with all the demolition derby antics. Electric karts would have been a better solution.
As a participant in motorsport I found the whole thing heavily contrived with the appaling tiny track layout designed to stop any attempt at a clean pass, and the seemingly pointless boost thing. I was also under the impression all the cars were identical so whats with the car manufacturer branding?! Can the organisers also make their mind up if its open wheel formula racing or not, as the wheel arches seem to be optional.
I genuinly want to see exciting racing powered by electricity, but please allow the cars to have some space to get some actual speed up and have a choice of lines to, you know, overtake without punting other people off. I want to see cars and drivers pushing the performance envelope.
The Mrs is slightly more invested in it than I, I think because she likes the soap-opera like stories around F1 drivers and a lot of them washup here. She even mentioned going... Until I pointed out we have several great racetracks within driving distance of us hosting both top international and some of the most highly revered domestic race series on the planet, where about 40 quid gets you a weekend of continuous racing. We really are spoilt for choice.As a participant in motorsport I found the whole thing heavily contrived with the appaling tiny track layout designed to stop any attempt at a clean pass, and the seemingly pointless boost thing. I was also under the impression all the cars were identical so whats with the car manufacturer branding?! Can the organisers also make their mind up if its open wheel formula racing or not, as the wheel arches seem to be optional.
I genuinly want to see exciting racing powered by electricity, but please allow the cars to have some space to get some actual speed up and have a choice of lines to, you know, overtake without punting other people off. I want to see cars and drivers pushing the performance envelope.
drmotorsport said:
If this was the FIA pinnacle of electric car racing then i'll not bother watching again, I can't imagine how tedious it must be attending in person, even with all the demolition derby antics. Electric karts would have been a better solution
As a participant in motorsport I found the whole thing heavily contrived with the appaling tiny track layout designed to stop any attempt at a clean pass, and the seemingly pointless boost thing. I was also under the impression all the cars were identical so whats with the car manufacturer branding?! Can the organisers also make their mind up if its open wheel formula racing or not, as the wheel arches seem to be optional.
I genuinly want to see exciting racing powered by electricity, but please allow the cars to have some space to get some actual speed up and have a choice of lines to, you know, overtake without punting other people off. I want to see cars and drivers pushing the performance envelope.
Watching trackside there are differences in lines, same as with any road circuit they're limited and not apparent on TV. Put another car alongside and the choice goes.As a participant in motorsport I found the whole thing heavily contrived with the appaling tiny track layout designed to stop any attempt at a clean pass, and the seemingly pointless boost thing. I was also under the impression all the cars were identical so whats with the car manufacturer branding?! Can the organisers also make their mind up if its open wheel formula racing or not, as the wheel arches seem to be optional.
I genuinly want to see exciting racing powered by electricity, but please allow the cars to have some space to get some actual speed up and have a choice of lines to, you know, overtake without punting other people off. I want to see cars and drivers pushing the performance envelope.
They're not identical under the skin, again and its more noticeable when they're more spaced out, they do sound quite different and some clearly are making much more use of the brakes than others.
The boost thing I'm split on, its definitely contrived but within the limitations they have gives them more variables to play with.
It wasn't tedious when the cars were running. Due to lack of other races the rest of the time it was.
F20CN16 said:
He really cocked that up. He was nowhere near coming to a complete stop. Alan McNish said they had the data. Anyone could see with their eyes that he hadn’t stopped!
Even if he had stopped, and it had worked, it would have been ridiculous if they let him keep the win. He basically overtook 7 cars under safety car conditions.kiseca said:
Even if he had stopped, and it had worked, it would have been ridiculous if they let him keep the win. He basically overtook 7 cars under safety car conditions.
If he had stopped properly I don't think there was anything in the rules that meant they could take the win away from him, that was kinda the point.A shame he messed it up as it would have been fun to see the fallout from that!
ch37 said:
kiseca said:
Even if he had stopped, and it had worked, it would have been ridiculous if they let him keep the win. He basically overtook 7 cars under safety car conditions.
If he had stopped properly I don't think there was anything in the rules that meant they could take the win away from him, that was kinda the point.A shame he messed it up as it would have been fun to see the fallout from that!
Well played by Audi (actually well planned, not so well played...) but frankly after watching the whole race, if I'd have seen it won like that I'd have felt completely short changed. It's only a reasonable result if you ignore the intent of the rules, and as soon as you do that, you're back to watching pre-teen schoolkids arguing over who gets the last cupcake.
Fair play to the teams for trying it on and it gives some outstanding instances of creative thinking, but I feel that in sport, whether it's F1 or FE or whatever, the governing body should always be able to make decisions based on the intention of the rules, not just their literal wording - and I think they are.
To me, doing something unpredictable to gain a positional advantage under a safety car may have been allowed within the literal definition of the rules, but it completely ignores the point of having them all crawl around behind a safety car in the first place. Now all of a sudden a bunch of drivers including the one in the safety car are paying attention to what the guy coming out of the pitlane is up to rather than making sure they don't run over any marshalls or something.
Anyway yes you're right, the fallout would have been fun!
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