BTCC Season Starts: Thruxton May 8-9
Discussion
HustleRussell said:
Thanks for going to the trouble Wookie. I had in my head that these are two pedal cars for some reason.
I was sceptical of the ‘brake failure’ thing just because total brake failure occurring between the green flag lap / stopping on the grid and the first corner is so improbable.
No probs mate!I was sceptical of the ‘brake failure’ thing just because total brake failure occurring between the green flag lap / stopping on the grid and the first corner is so improbable.
Quite a few TCRs are two pedal as they use the road car DCTs, but the BTCC cars all have a manual sequential box which has a manually actuated clutch. The only two pedal car in the field is Nick’s for obvious reasons and even then it has an air actuated master cylinder with a paddle on the steering wheel, so still manually controlled.
It seems the action is still in the middle of the pack and once clear the top 3 seem to runaway with it. Dan Cam seemed to have a good weekend and Rowebottom was at the sharp end considering it was his first weekend in BTCC.
The Foci seemed to put in solid performances and Hill seems to have picked up where Butcher left off and Wookie was consistent. Roll on the next race.
The Foci seemed to put in solid performances and Hill seems to have picked up where Butcher left off and Wookie was consistent. Roll on the next race.
stevemcs said:
It seems the action is still in the middle of the pack and once clear the top 3 seem to runaway with it. Dan Cam seemed to have a good weekend and Rowebottom was at the sharp end considering it was his first weekend in BTCC.
The Foci seemed to put in solid performances and Hill seems to have picked up where Butcher left off and Wookie was consistent. Roll on the next race.
Rowbottom did 2019 in the Mercedes with CiceleyThe Foci seemed to put in solid performances and Hill seems to have picked up where Butcher left off and Wookie was consistent. Roll on the next race.
Yeah Race 1 did knob me somewhat, think it would have been a different day otherwise
Was very hard to overtake without a big speed differential with a FWD car. RWD cars seemed to have a few more overtaking opportunities to get a nose alongside and compromise others. Only place to pass without a mistake from the other driver seemed to be coming up to the chicane for me. When it was dry at least.
Was very hard to overtake without a big speed differential with a FWD car. RWD cars seemed to have a few more overtaking opportunities to get a nose alongside and compromise others. Only place to pass without a mistake from the other driver seemed to be coming up to the chicane for me. When it was dry at least.
Mr Red Barron said:
Wookie, was the reason you pitted in race 1 due to grass in the intake then? I take it you saw the temps rising? Were you not tempted to go "screw it, i'm in 6th, we'll see what happens"?
Yeah the temps hadn’t gone up massively high at that point but were higher that what I’d expect under a safety car and given the conditionsI gave it a slow pass by the pit wall while the boys had a look and saw it was full of grass.
If it had been three laps to go and we were in it for a championship we probably would have chanced it but no point in those circumstances, even best case all that will happen is that the engine derates itself, worst case it derates, still overheats and lunches itself
The Wookie said:
Yeah the temps hadn’t gone up massively high at that point but were higher that what I’d expect under a safety car and given the conditions
I gave it a slow pass by the pit wall while the boys had a look and saw it was full of grass.
If it had been three laps to go and we were in it for a championship we probably would have chanced it but no point in those circumstances, even best case all that will happen is that the engine derates itself, worst case it derates, still overheats and lunches itself
Surprised how quick the Focus and the Corolla look this year, don't think the rwd cars are going to have it all their own way, at very least not to the same degree as the last 2 seasons. I gave it a slow pass by the pit wall while the boys had a look and saw it was full of grass.
If it had been three laps to go and we were in it for a championship we probably would have chanced it but no point in those circumstances, even best case all that will happen is that the engine derates itself, worst case it derates, still overheats and lunches itself
Slightly random question. Were the Motorbase cars classed as a manufacturer entry last year or has it changed for this season? Can't remember.
DanielSan said:
Surprised how quick the Focus and the Corolla look this year, don't think the rwd cars are going to have it all their own way, at very least not to the same degree as the last 2 seasons.
Slightly random question. Were the Motorbase cars classed as a manufacturer entry last year or has it changed for this season? Can't remember.
Yeah the car feels great at the moment, it definitely feels like this year we’re deeper into the bag of potential it has. It’s a challenge with the BoP between front and rear wheel drive, because everyone is so close it means changes to prefer one or the other might end up being disproportionate, and marginal advantages of one or the other can end up being significant.Slightly random question. Were the Motorbase cars classed as a manufacturer entry last year or has it changed for this season? Can't remember.
And no you’re right, the manufacturer status is new for us, was decided on by the team management over the winter!
MG CHRIS said:
I've also just see a comment from his wife saying it was a mechanical failure and tried to blame Glyn geddie wtaf. What the hell was gow thinking even allowing this guy to be on the grid specially what happened with dynamics.
The repair will dwarf that 2k fine. Time toca takes real action on this.
Indeed. The repair will dwarf that 2k fine. Time toca takes real action on this.
After the fiasco that was “IP Tech” the Chairman told me that he “would do anything legal to stop Neate getting on the grid again”....then he got the TD drive! That went well...
DanielSan said:
I know Wookie has said on here before that's he's supposedly OK as a person but he either puts a very different persona on in the paddock or Wookie has a terrible judge of character 
Wookie is the consummate professional, he would not slag off a fellow competitor. Fortunately for Ollie, he has not been on the receiving end of Neate’s cheating. Neate is an eloquent, intelligent and charming person. He is also a liar and conman - It’s common knowledge in the BTCC paddock. Ask Dredd clothing, ask Dynamics, ask anyone involved in IP Tech. Ask Bob Moffat. Ask about the ex F1 hospitality unit that burned out so couldn’t be used. Ask about the “pneumonia” that meant he couldn’t make the final round at Brands (nothing to do with having sold the car to Moffat)...the list goes on...
The stuff on his new wife’s Facebook is standard Neate MO and many people are now wise to it.
I make no comment on his driving ability...
rscott said:
Andy Neate's wife getting involved on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/165670750141050/posts/547...
She's saying he hit the clutch, not brake, when Geddie braked for the corner.
Doesn't deny that Neate told everyone it was mechanical failure at first....
Wow! She's saying he hit the clutch, not brake, when Geddie braked for the corner.
Doesn't deny that Neate told everyone it was mechanical failure at first....
“Tim Harvey - thank you for this comment and I quote ‘pointed wording’ on a social media platform. You have written Andy tried to blame his mechanics and team for his own error. Those words are in fact defamatory, he never blamed anyone but blamed a suspected mechanical ‘issue’ that was not the fault of any person but a mechanical defect or failure. You are suggesting Andy blamed a person, or his team as you have writing on a social platform has been recorded and more than damaging than some damage to some cars. To put the record straight, when I visited Andy in the medical centre he said to me that it all happened so quickly, he said that Glynn checked up his brakes unexpectedly in turn one (which he admitted to in a tv interview) and it caught him by surprise, he went for the brake and in the split second and nothing happened and the car didn’t slow sending Glynn into a spin and collecting Jade. He was so upset he said that either brake failed or the throttle stuck open but that’s what happened. He’s got back to team and they downloaded his data and at the first glance is showed roughly what Andy said that he hit the brake hard nothing happened. At that point it seemed that what he had thought, it was a failure of the brakes as reported by his engineer. However what transpired some hours later, the analysis of the brake pedal pressure was as he hit the wall when there was no front on the car, hence there was no brakes on it so the pedal was on the floor. It has now been seen that in the unexpected brake by Glynn causing Andy to hit the brake, he by mistake hit the clutch pedal instead and not brake pedal first with his left foot by mistake. because the cars was so close it was too late and he hit Glynn causing the crash. This can be seen on the onboard video I’m told. It turns out the misinterpreting of the data showing the brakes was hit hard was during the impact with the wall as the brake were no longer on the on the car and the fluid was going nowhere, hence this is what the data showed. This is was I was told by Andy and this is what he was told by the engineer what I was stood next to them both. That was the first impression so you can I understand what was said. what they viewed on the data which on the first view seemed to match up with what Andy said completely, suggesting a brake failure and not the stuck throttle as the car just didn’t slow. After all it all happened so fast and none of this was intentional, and this entire matter certainly doesn’t deserve another kangaroo court and social bartering by some of the commentators. There clearly seems to be an agenda here. It’s sad you have said in public that Andy has blamed his mechanics and team, this is not that case and never was. I’m sure he may say or do something about this unfortunate comment cause Tim that comment is very damaging and will only fuel more unnecessary hatred as I am sure will know. As a respected commentator and representative of ITV, you should know better and be more mindful in what you write.
I’d anything good came off this. Andy made his peace with Jade Edwards and they seem to have drawn a line under things and no longer have any gripes. What it doesn’t need is respected persons with responsibilities like yourself causing issues by making defamatory statements in public like you have. I will say no more on the matter, we cannot be bothered with the negatively. Also I know Andy will be calling Jade and Glynn in the week to talk about what happened in a mature and proper way.”
The Wookie said:
DanielSan said:
Surprised how quick the Focus and the Corolla look this year, don't think the rwd cars are going to have it all their own way, at very least not to the same degree as the last 2 seasons.
Slightly random question. Were the Motorbase cars classed as a manufacturer entry last year or has it changed for this season? Can't remember.
Yeah the car feels great at the moment, it definitely feels like this year we’re deeper into the bag of potential it has. It’s a challenge with the BoP between front and rear wheel drive, because everyone is so close it means changes to prefer one or the other might end up being disproportionate, and marginal advantages of one or the other can end up being significant.Slightly random question. Were the Motorbase cars classed as a manufacturer entry last year or has it changed for this season? Can't remember.
And no you’re right, the manufacturer status is new for us, was decided on by the team management over the winter!
Are they all mounted in roughly the same place in all the fwd shells for example or are different teams running different manufacturers for the shock/spring combos? It plays out on track that some teams struggle way more than others with development but it never seems like there's much too develop freely, or is it just a case of the marginal gains making a big difference with the majority of the grid so close together?
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