2022 Rallying Thread (WRC, ERC and national rally)

[Drumroll]

LukeBrown66 said:

All I can say is a very interesting few interludes.

usernames stand against you on here, as they do for people like drumroll, I have encountered his type many times (usually in temporary positions of power, marshals, cark attendants stewards etc etc) and you simply have to agree that certain people will never get on, want to get on or could ever get on, despite having a common interest.

We come at this sport from very opposite views. he cant accept mine, I cant accept his, fair enough.

I am not advocating a return to the 80's far from it, but it was just as bad after that, watch footage from France in the kit cars days and you will see extraordinary stupidity in the country where Balestre was working for goodness sake. It never ended it just became less obvious, in this country the Scottish incidents caused a huge change, rightly so, but the changes are not all good.

Rallies are hard to police, I get that, but completely obliterating the fun factor for fans and also the minor aspect of fans also being secondary marshals is not moving forward. It is surrounding the sport in a water, flame, acid, vacuum, lava proof jacket.

I have advocated for a long time now a sort of pass that you pay for, that allows fans access to events otherwise not open to spectators, these fans would attend training courses as marshals do, even pay a yearly fee, but would be able to wander about just as we once did, staying out of the way, helping crews, assisting marshals. I have been an arrow board, a stop sign, a tow truck and a warning sign. Those days are sadly gone

I struggle to understand what you are, to be honest. You come here and post some things and when people don't agree with you, your response is to delete your posts. Someone then agrees with your view and you are back posting.

The fact that you admit you don't know what an SV is, says a lot about you. The fact that you can admit that even before any changes you never really went to watch that many rallies. Just proves you talk rubbish, because you only listen to those that support your view. I am quite willing to have an open debate with anyone but not somebody who doesn't actually know what they are talking about. Happy to for you to prove me wrong, you know by giving us some actual facts from a rally you have actually attended in the last 18 months.

[DelicaL400]

LukeBrown66 said:

I have advocated for a long time now a sort of pass that you pay for, that allows fans access to events otherwise not open to spectators, these fans would attend training courses as marshals do, even pay a yearly fee, but would be able to wander about just as we once did, staying out of the way, helping crews, assisting marshals. I have been an arrow board, a stop sign, a tow truck and a warning sign. Those days are sadly gone

A couple of points. The no spectator thing is generally down to the landowner. It can be a condition of use that no spectators are allowed. If I had some land suitable for an event would I let it be used? Definitely. Would I want spectators wandering around leaving litter, wandering over crops, potentially pinching stuff and risking getting hit by a rally car? No. Sadly not everyone can be trusted to be sensible and to respect the venue.

I don't understand your pass idea. Other than SVs such as the circuit events you go to there's still freedom to wander? I saw some in-car from the Hafren/Sweet Lamb stage last weekend, spectators were dotted about the stage, they weren't all fenced in somewhere in the bowl. I think it's a good balance now, for the people who want loos etc and don't know the stage they can go to the spectator area. For the more traditional spectator you can wander off as long as you're in position somewhere safe when the safety delegate comes round. It's the same with closed roads. I've never been to a spectator area on Mull or Jim Clark. From bits of the NW Stages I've seen it's the same there. If you're there early and you're safe it's not a problem. If it's "no spectator" events you want access to then marshal, they're not going to start letting spectators in just because they've done a course.

[LukeBrown66]

I really count not care less what people think, I post my views as they are my own.

I deleted posts as the thread was going nowhere, then a few people sort of agreed with me s I felt like it might be time to add more.

If you have a problem with that, that is on you, I do not watch much rallying anymore, I used to, and now I do not, being unaware of what SV is hardly makes me not know what I am talking about, it just means I dont live and breath it like maybe you do.

I merely add my opinions, based on my experiences, if that annoys you, post away, just dont expect me or everyone else to agree with you, that is what i do and I am fine with it

[fttm]

SV is grass roots stuff , how you learn the sport sort of thing , basic rallying before progressing to bigger and better .Lack of knowledge LB .
Anyhow , Circuit of Ireland (cough , Antrim) this weekend and impressed by the amount of guys turning out in Polo R5s ,serious investment still happening during these odd times for sure .

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LukeBrown66 said:

I merely add my opinions, based on my experiences, if that annoys you, post away, just dont expect me or everyone else to agree with you, that is what i do and I am fine with it

But this is the whole point your opinions are not actually based on your experience, because you don't really have any current experience.

[LukeBrown66]

My experiences are based on my experiences over the last few years and many before that, which recently amount to very little because initially I was very disappointed by how things were done, what would you do if you had a poor experience in a pub or restaurant? would you carry on going back? it's not that hard to explain and I am not on my own sadly.

I am sorry I have an opinion you don't like and you "think" is based on nothing, but it is the opinion of me and several people I know who used to spec at rallies, I know you come at it from one direction, and we would likely never agree on much, hence why you keep trying to disagree with most of what i say and I keep saying, who cares as it goes nowhere, so just agree to disagree, as with most people in your type of roles, that is invariably not possible. Hence why I do my thing, you do yours, and never the tw3ain shall meet.

Regarding Ireland, I have always been fascinated by the amount of cash the top guys spend on cars over there, ever noticed how sometimes the sponsors change year on year...

[thepawbroon]

It's the first round of the British Rally Championship this weekend, The Corbeau Seats Rally Tendring & Clacton (or "Clacton Rally" for short!).

Entry list here:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/73459-corbeau...

A good quality entry at the top end, quite surprisingly only 2 of the top 10 have competed here before. I still think it might come down to a battle between the 3 VW Polos.


Live feed will be published on the event facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/tendringrally

And some good spectator areas have been organised: https://corbeauseatsrally.co.uk/spectators-2/

Personally, I'm heading up there on Friday evening for a variety of duties behind the scene, which I'm really looking forward to.

[Ranger 6]

I may see you then, depending on any incidents

We're on SS6/10/14 - setting up on Saturday morning and then finish radio (I think)

[rampageturke]

giveitfish said:

Silver Smudger said:

Looking forward to Legend Fires North West Stages Rally next weekend - My first time at a rally event

Anyone been before / going this year?

I’m just about to head to the Nicky Nook stage myself. Not been to a rally for several years and it looks like it’s going to be a lovely day

This was my first attempt at spectating (other than circuit rallies) and I wasn't really prepared as I only found out it existed a week before. So got myself to the Nicky Nook stage and I was pretty unsure about where you were, and weren't allowed to go, as the signposted spectator area wasn't really that big, and they didn't seem to be letting anyone across the road even though there was the big delay. Eventually a smashed car was dragged around the corner with 6-7 cars blocked behind it. Took a few snaps myself.






I'd like to get out to some more, I guess knowing "how to spectate" comes with more experience.

giveitfish said:

The total lack of signs for the parking and roads full of lost spectators is just how I remember it at least

I managed fine, until one sign on the road to the scorton showground carpark kind of implied that you weren't to go down there. I wasn't the only person turning around when I missed the turning.

[ArnageWRC]

Also WRC Rally Croatia this weekend; first event for nearly 2 months.....

[johnpsanderson]

thepawbroon said:

It's the first round of the British Rally Championship this weekend, The Corbeau Seats Rally Tendring & Clacton (or "Clacton Rally" for short!).

Entry list here:

https://www.ewrc-results.com/entries/73459-corbeau...

A good quality entry at the top end, quite surprisingly only 2 of the top 10 have competed here before. I still think it might come down to a battle between the 3 VW Polos.


Live feed will be published on the event facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/tendringrally

And some good spectator areas have been organised: https://corbeauseatsrally.co.uk/spectators-2/

Personally, I'm heading up there on Friday evening for a variety of duties behind the scene, which I'm really looking forward to.

I’ll be watching the Saturday evening stage and probably up at Bradfield on the Sunday. Nice to see the event back on!

[3anascooter]

Am going along to Clacton on the Sunday. Went the first year and was nice to see rallying in this part of the country.
Splashed out on VIP tickets on the grounds that I had saved some cash by not going the past 2 years...man maths at its best !!

[df76]

Croatia rally first stage looks damp and tricky.

[Ardennes92]

Rovenpera off to a bit of a flier; Lappi not so much

[Active75]

Looks pretty tricky with 2 of the top 10 out already, and some lucky saves for others.

[Skylinecrazy]

That’s Formaux done.

[df76]

Skylinecrazy said:

That’s Formaux done.

He's had so many crashes now, and parking it in someone's back garden (whilst taking out their nice hedge) is plain rude.

[rastapasta]

df76 said:

Skylinecrazy said:

That’s Formaux done.

He's had so many crashes now, and parking it in someone's back garden (whilst taking out their nice hedge) is plain rude.

Millener gets really catty when any stacks one of the cars.

[LukeBrown66]

Think Fourmax is showing he was a flash in the pan and is a little out of his depth at this level.

[Active75]

The Fords seemed to slide more than the Hyundai and Toyota. In my view. I wonder if its tyre/suspension issue ?