2023: BTCC chat & discussion

2023: BTCC chat & discussion

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Milkyway

9,482 posts

54 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Sebring440 said:
New qualifying format for BTCC in 2024:

https://www.btcc.net/2023/10/23/btcc-launches-quic...
Quali: If it rains between the two groups sssions, then the lap times will be affected.
It won’t affect the first six in each group though... who will progress anyway.
(Thirteenth backwards could become a Lottery.... & is Lord Gow working towards his 24 car grid.)

Hybrid power doubled too...
https://www.btcc.net/2023/10/30/btcc-powers-up-in-...

Now just got to sort out the track limit & ride height regs.

NB: So glad that the Legends are back. bounce

Edited by Milkyway on Thursday 2nd November 10:17

Rob197

781 posts

147 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Seeing rumours team hard have gone bust and their place is empty and abandoned

Milkyway

9,482 posts

54 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Rumour Mill...
Jamie Tonks; TCR / Venture Mini’s for a BTCC seat.
Motorbase / Alliance selling two of their Focus’s.

rallycross

12,826 posts

238 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Rob197 said:
Seeing rumours team hard have gone bust and their place is empty and abandoned
hopefully not but been reported to be struggling again for some time.

Milkyway

9,482 posts

54 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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rallycross said:
hopefully not but been reported to be struggling again for some time.
Could be a small grid next year.
Rumours of NAPA being title sponsor too.

trackdemon

12,195 posts

262 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Rob197 said:
Seeing rumours team hard have gone bust and their place is empty and abandoned
Companies house shows charges against 4 of the race cars recently by AMICUS ASSET FINANCE GROUP LIMITED. Lot's of recent changes of persons with significant control. None of it shows a stable company. Tough business, racing... frown

https://find-and-update.company-information.servic...

Milkyway

9,482 posts

54 months

Wednesday 29th November 2023
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Quali sessions 2024.

2 sessions of 12 cars... maybe Lord Gow WILL have his 24 car grid after all.

TheBinarySheep

1,133 posts

52 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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Does anyone know, are BMW likely to stick with the 3 series for 2024?

I'm surprised that they've not switched to the 1 series given they're the only rear wheel drive cars on the grid.

I only wonder whether they might switch to the new two series?

I feel in terms of performance, they've dropped back vs some of the top fwd guys.

airbusA346

785 posts

154 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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trackdemon said:
Companies house shows charges against 4 of the race cars recently by AMICUS ASSET FINANCE GROUP LIMITED. Lot's of recent changes of persons with significant control. None of it shows a stable company. Tough business, racing... frown

https://find-and-update.company-information.servic...
Big numbers in the accounts of Bath Taxis Ltd too who until Sept 2023 had significant control of Team Hard.

TO73074E

421 posts

28 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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TheBinarySheep said:
Does anyone know, are BMW likely to stick with the 3 series for 2024?

I'm surprised that they've not switched to the 1 series given they're the only rear wheel drive cars on the grid.

I only wonder whether they might switch to the new two series?

I feel in terms of performance, they've dropped back vs some of the top fwd guys.
No idea, but I would love if they went with the M3 touring.

cuprabob

14,716 posts

215 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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airbusA346 said:
Big numbers in the accounts of Bath Taxis Ltd too who until Sept 2023 had significant control of Team Hard.
Uber fast taxis smile



BananaFama

4,404 posts

80 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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TheBinarySheep said:
Does anyone know, are BMW likely to stick with the 3 series for 2024?

I'm surprised that they've not switched to the 1 series given they're the only rear wheel drive cars on the grid.

I only wonder whether they might switch to the new two series?

I feel in terms of performance, they've dropped back vs some of the top fwd guys.
Seems unlikely to me , RWD is the go to for a racing car .
As long as BMW are producing a smallish RWD car they will be using it in the BTCC , as long as
Lord Gow doesn't ban RWD or use the BofP to try and rid of it .

The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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BananaFama said:
Seems unlikely to me , RWD is the go to for a racing car .
As long as BMW are producing a smallish RWD car they will be using it in the BTCC , as long as
Lord Gow doesn't ban RWD or use the BofP to try and rid of it .
Ultimately it's a BoP series though and FWD seems to be more competitive at the moment (or at least well enough to be stronger than the 3-series).

RWD complicates the BoP too and I personally think AG will do away with it if he gets half a chance.

I also wouldn't be surprised if BMW were pushing for a new car and as it stands a slippery FWD coupe like a 2-series is probably the way to go. The only question will be whether BMW will put their hand in their pocket or if WSR can raise the dosh to develop it, as it's a significant investment in spares and kit on top of developing a new car to change from RWD to FWD or vice versa.

TheBinarySheep

1,133 posts

52 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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The Wookie said:
Ultimately it's a BoP series though and FWD seems to be more competitive at the moment (or at least well enough to be stronger than the 3-series).

RWD complicates the BoP too and I personally think AG will do away with it if he gets half a chance.

I also wouldn't be surprised if BMW were pushing for a new car and as it stands a slippery FWD coupe like a 2-series is probably the way to go. The only question will be whether BMW will put their hand in their pocket or if WSR can raise the dosh to develop it, as it's a significant investment in spares and kit on top of developing a new car to change from RWD to FWD or vice versa.
The new 2 series is RWD isn't it? unless you mean the they'd convert it to FWD?

emicen

8,600 posts

219 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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TheBinarySheep said:
The Wookie said:
Ultimately it's a BoP series though and FWD seems to be more competitive at the moment (or at least well enough to be stronger than the 3-series).

RWD complicates the BoP too and I personally think AG will do away with it if he gets half a chance.

I also wouldn't be surprised if BMW were pushing for a new car and as it stands a slippery FWD coupe like a 2-series is probably the way to go. The only question will be whether BMW will put their hand in their pocket or if WSR can raise the dosh to develop it, as it's a significant investment in spares and kit on top of developing a new car to change from RWD to FWD or vice versa.
The new 2 series is RWD isn't it? unless you mean the they'd convert it to FWD?
He means the 2 series Gran Coupe, which is FWD.

The rear driven 2 series coupe wouldn’t be eligible, not enough doors.

The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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TheBinarySheep said:
The new 2 series is RWD isn't it? unless you mean the they'd convert it to FWD?
The beauty of BMW's naming strategy means that there are now both FWD and RWD 2-series from completely different platforms

TheBinarySheep

1,133 posts

52 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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emicen said:
He means the 2 series Gran Coupe, which is FWD.

The rear driven 2 series coupe wouldn’t be eligible, not enough doors.
ah yes, there's two 2 series', I'd forgot.

and yes, you're also right about the other one only being two doors. Shame, I think it would look great in BTCC.

TheBinarySheep

1,133 posts

52 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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The Wookie said:
The beauty of BMW's naming strategy means that there are now both FWD and RWD 2-series from completely different platforms
At least it's not confusing...

Milkyway

9,482 posts

54 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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Bring back the class system... sorted.
(Still the same spec, but... FWD, RWD & number of doors)

Edited by Milkyway on Thursday 30th November 15:52

SpudLink

5,889 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th November 2023
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TheBinarySheep said:
The Wookie said:
The beauty of BMW's naming strategy means that there are now both FWD and RWD 2-series from completely different platforms
At least it's not confusing...
I find it easier if I don't acknowledge the existence of any FWD BMW. Therefore the only 2 series is the RWD car, which would look great in the BTCC.

Edited by SpudLink on Thursday 30th November 20:03