2023 Sportscar Thread (WEC, IMSA, NLS, GT World Challenge)

2023 Sportscar Thread (WEC, IMSA, NLS, GT World Challenge)

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FredericRobinson

3,765 posts

233 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Titan said:
Going to this, and could do with some parking and grandstand advice as information on official site is limited.

Have paid €35 for parking, and this says Coombs. But I’m now not sure that this should have said camping ?
I would like to be closer to the start straight as one of our party has a heart condition condition, and the walk from Coombs is a bit if a way.

Also grandstands. There is nothing about them. Are they open, and is there a charge on the day?

Any advice to make our trip a better one would be greatly appreciated.
No charge in the grandstands, remains to be seen in the one opposite the endurance pits is ready to be used but the Eau Rouge and pit straight stands will be open

freedman

5,447 posts

208 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Titan said:
Going to this, and could do with some parking and grandstand advice as information on official site is limited.

Have paid €35 for parking, and this says Coombs. But I’m now not sure that this should have said camping ?
I would like to be closer to the start straight as one of our party has a heart condition condition, and the walk from Coombs is a bit if a way.

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Its parking

This is the e mail I got last week

Dear customer,

We hope you are well. The TotalEnergies 6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps is approaching fast and we know that traffic can be a problem to reach the event. We want to offer you the possibility to avoid traffic jams and enjoy the event to its fullest.

We have set up a parking Combes which will allow you to easily access the circuit of Spa-Francorchamps by avoiding the traffic on the Francorchamps-Ster side. For this, you just have to take the exit 11 (Malmedy) on the E42 (Battice - Verviers - Trier) and follow the signs to the parking.

We are convinced that this solution will bring you great satisfaction. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions or concerns.

Best regards

generationx

6,851 posts

106 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Les.Coombes is indeed a fair old trek to the pits/paddock. Originally when I saw the same mail I thought “ooh good no car park roulette” but I parked out there once before. It’s not so much at the start of the day but at the end when you’ve been on your feet all day. We’ll take our usual chances and arrive at the La Source end, €8 job.

Bear in mind it’s likely to be very busy this year with extra interest in the growing championship, so the car parks may fill up quickly.

PatreseBT52B

7 posts

17 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I think the 35 euros parking is for 3 days

Titan

122 posts

249 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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Really appreciate the advice from all.

For practice day, I think I will use the Combes parking and see how it works out. For my friend with the heart condition, I think the walk to the pits will be a no go.

Either way, really looking forward, and can’t wait for the event.

FredericRobinson

3,765 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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FredericRobinson said:
Titan said:
Going to this, and could do with some parking and grandstand advice as information on official site is limited.

Have paid €35 for parking, and this says Coombs. But I’m now not sure that this should have said camping ?
I would like to be closer to the start straight as one of our party has a heart condition condition, and the walk from Coombs is a bit if a way.

Also grandstands. There is nothing about them. Are they open, and is there a charge on the day?

Any advice to make our trip a better one would be greatly appreciated.
No charge in the grandstands, remains to be seen in the one opposite the endurance pits is ready to be used but the Eau Rouge and pit straight stands will be open
The new ‘endurance’ grandstand is indeed open, they’ve even put seats with backs in so it’ll be a lot more comfortable than the other two stands

N0ddie

381 posts

166 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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I'm very much looking forward to this race this weekend. Still expect Toyota to win but 2 Cadillacs. Oh yes.

FredericRobinson

3,765 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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An eventful FP3, both Porsche HyperCars and the yellow Cadillac stopped on track early and had to be flat bedded away, Toyota off the pace and then right at the end a massive crash at Radillon between 2 AFCorse GTs, don’t think we’ll see either again this weekend

ArnageWRC

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2,074 posts

160 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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Interesting qualifying session - and a 'weirdly slow' off for Hartley at Eau Rouge/Raidillon on cold tyres....

Pole for the #51 Ferrari which was later pinged for supposedly going off track, giving it to Kobayashi in the Toyota.
As ever, LMP2 looks super competitive, United's Blomqvist taking pole.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

47 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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I think they are going to have to rethink this no tyre warmer thing, Bamber also came very close to a spin there, if the corner was later in the lap it might not be such an issue, but the tyres are ambient at best and the cars are designed to work with them hot, Brendan did very little wrong.

I think the amount of damage caused by this tyre wamer issue more than outweighs any environmental benefits cause by using even basic tyre warmers.

I see no need for a return to heaters, that is pointless but basic tyre warmers are a staple on anything from f1 to track days.

Leithen

11,013 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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LukeBrown66 said:
I think they are going to have to rethink this no tyre warmer thing, Bamber also came very close to a spin there, if the corner was later in the lap it might not be such an issue, but the tyres are ambient at best and the cars are designed to work with them hot, Brendan did very little wrong.

I think the amount of damage caused by this tyre wamer issue more than outweighs any environmental benefits cause by using even basic tyre warmers.

I see no need for a return to heaters, that is pointless but basic tyre warmers are a staple on anything from f1 to track days.
Prophetic stuff. I wonder if a basic standardised switchable traction control system might be the answer.

Standardised so it can’t be developed to produce an advantage for a single team, switchable so it can be used whilst tyres are cold.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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Leithen said:
LukeBrown66 said:
I think they are going to have to rethink this no tyre warmer thing, Bamber also came very close to a spin there, if the corner was later in the lap it might not be such an issue, but the tyres are ambient at best and the cars are designed to work with them hot, Brendan did very little wrong.

I think the amount of damage caused by this tyre wamer issue more than outweighs any environmental benefits cause by using even basic tyre warmers.

I see no need for a return to heaters, that is pointless but basic tyre warmers are a staple on anything from f1 to track days.
Prophetic stuff. I wonder if a basic standardised switchable traction control system might be the answer.

Standardised so it can’t be developed to produce an advantage for a single team, switchable so it can be used whilst tyres are cold.
I disagree - not enough to get into a long-running PH dispute, mind - given the variety of other aids and the fact that aero has removed any concept of "mechanical grip" being an issue, I like to see drivers struggle to warm tyres - if it's a problem that affects the overall race then teams will engineer mechanical suspension tweaks to aid it; if it's only a lap or so, then, well, they'll have to adapt.

I have the same views about F1 drivers who moan it'll "dangerous" - it's not, just use less right foot - "but I don't want to" - sorry, what you really mean is the other guy might be slightly better at it than you, so you may lose a place - boo-hoo, suck it up and get better/learn.

andybracing

157 posts

174 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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I had the pleasure of working with brendon in lmp2 at lemans and others , hes a great driver, one of the best, if he got it wrong then there is a problem, ive first hand seen the data involved, and he was so light on the throttle it should have never let go, we used to use tyre ovens in wec, they cost alot les than tyre blankets, and usualy take 2 sets of tyres, basicly a tent with a space heater. Not sure why they are no longer legal, but it cant be cost, it may be an enviorment thing as space heaters use kerosine or similar, but they can be electric.
The tyres are not designed to be used cold, no race tyre is. Yes many championships dont use heaters, but often the tyre isnt as extream as the ones used in wec.
I think from a safety view, they should rethink the ruling, and if they were banned on a cost ground, how much does it cost to rebuilt a hypercar toyota compaired to a tent and a heater? And in that case im sure the envioroment arguement doesnt stack up either.
In the race today there were many very quick drivers caught out by this, and i fear we will see someone hurt. Especialy at lemans when it gets cold at night.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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andybracing said:
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The tyres are not designed to be used cold, no race tyre is.
I hadn't thought of that - fair enough.

But surely if the rules say no tyre blankets / heaters, then the tyres should be designed to manage that - if that means a compromise on ultimate grip or life or means different tyres to cover very hot vs very cold ambient, so be it, but it would be the same for all.

Ultimately, managing cold tyres should be a skill (after all the FIA makes F3 & F2 drivers learn how to do it, only to ditch that when they get to F1), and if as you state (& I'm not disbelieving you) a driver with very good throttle control is struggling, then the organisers / series owners should fix that, not simply give up on the idea.

Leithen

11,013 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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Did you watch todays race?

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

47 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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The problem is that this series races from Bahrain in 40 degree heat to Spa where it was 6 degrees today. No slick tyre is supposed to work at that sort of temperature. And these are full on professional drivers who have done this sort of thing for years, and even in Sebring it was catching the out, so this is nothing to do with driver ability.

The problem i see is that without warmers the tyres are literally lethal on the first couple of laps, some teams like Ferrari struggle more than most Molina lost it in a straight line for God's sake and that to me is just not on, this is costing teams tens of thousands in damage alone. And after all the hype when you have teams losing a race because the tyres are like stone bricks for 5 minutes that is also not good for the show long term.

This could also happen at Le mans where there is often bad weather and the consequences there are not to be sniffed at.

However, back to the event and if you are not watching this and watching that tripe in Baku I can only sympathise, the driving in this beggars belief, 6 hours in and most podiums are not settled, yes there were safety cars and stuff, but Calado at the end was monstrous to get 3rd, it is amazing stuff and hopefully starts to creep into the viewing publics awareness. I know it is tough for 5 hours, I know it is not easy, but save yourself 450 quid, get a season pass, dont spend your life savings at Dumperstone and watch this instead, you will not regret if you CAN open your mind and eyes a little.

As right now other than perhaps WRC there is no finer driving on display anywhere in the world for me

generationx

6,851 posts

106 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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Agreed re the tyre warmer issue - we’re lucky nothing too serious happened in what started as very cool, damp conditions today.

On the big plus side, it appears that all the new entries are a real crowd-puller. I was there today and it was clearly busier than the previous editions. On the minus side is it has become clear that Spa’s access and traffic management is woefully inadequate - we planned to arrive early and it took two and a half hours of queuing to get through the gate…

FredericRobinson

3,765 posts

233 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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I think this was my 7th Spa WEC, reckon the crowd was probably double any of the others, was camping on site so don’t know about getting in, but I was amazed to drive straight out and away afterwards.
If lack of tyre warmers was going to cause an issue it was always going to be Spa in April, several cars looped it at the pit exit over the weekend and the Hypercars in particular looked like they were driving on ice coming out of the pits.
We’re going to need Toyota to have a 15 min pit stop issue early on at Le Mans to make the top class an interesting battle I reckon

Leithen

11,013 posts

268 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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It would help if Ferrari could learn to split strategies.

LukeBrown66

4,479 posts

47 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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I do not think you can expect the Hypercar teams to get anywhere near Toyota yet, they have a 2 years head start and this years car is a vast improvement on last years.

Peugeot I think have got it totally wrong, they must be spending fortunes and yet the car is only quicker than the Glick and Vanwall, a private team came in today and mullered them in a 963, not good. Glick were close at times last year, almost P2 pace this year at times, shows how things have moved on. Vanwall is reliable but slow and JV needs to go.

Ferrari seem the closest, bit like Acura in GTP they got it right, Caddy just lack a little something as do Porsche surprisingly.