Who says FormulaE isn't exciting
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Sandpit Steve said:
That’s a bit harsh on Scalextric, which gave many of us a load of fun times in our younger years.
Like many others, I’ve tried to get with FE but failed every time. The cars are still too slow, the circuits temporary and rubbish, too many gimmmicks and attempts to force a close race that instead tend to result in a procession.
It’s not even particularly road-relevant, using batteries off the shelf. They’d be much better off making the whole drivetrain full prototype, getting several battery manufacturers involved, with the regulation weight of the car not including the battery. Yes, we’d probably see a few fires along the way, and some cars being faster than others, but that’s how things get developed quickly. Ask Mercedes why they quit FE, and also how quickly they’ve managed to transfer the new F1 engine tech onto their road cars.
Yeah the above pretty much sums up my thoughts on Formula E, I was however encouraged to see a quote from Domenicali stating that the development and adoption of synthetic fuels would potentially enable Formula 1 to go back to the lighter, naturally-aspirated racing cars of years gone. Getting rid of the current-specification supertankers would be no bad thing!Like many others, I’ve tried to get with FE but failed every time. The cars are still too slow, the circuits temporary and rubbish, too many gimmmicks and attempts to force a close race that instead tend to result in a procession.
It’s not even particularly road-relevant, using batteries off the shelf. They’d be much better off making the whole drivetrain full prototype, getting several battery manufacturers involved, with the regulation weight of the car not including the battery. Yes, we’d probably see a few fires along the way, and some cars being faster than others, but that’s how things get developed quickly. Ask Mercedes why they quit FE, and also how quickly they’ve managed to transfer the new F1 engine tech onto their road cars.
Sandpit Steve said:
That’s a bit harsh on Scalextric, which gave many of us a load of fun times in our younger years.
Like many others, I’ve tried to get with FE but failed every time. The cars are still too slow, the circuits temporary and rubbish, too many gimmmicks and attempts to force a close race that instead tend to result in a procession.
It’s not even particularly road-relevant, using batteries off the shelf. They’d be much better off making the whole drivetrain full prototype, getting several battery manufacturers involved, with the regulation weight of the car not including the battery. Yes, we’d probably see a few fires along the way, and some cars being faster than others, but that’s how things get developed quickly. Ask Mercedes why they quit FE, and also how quickly they’ve managed to transfer the new F1 engine tech onto their road cars.
The whole idea of FE was to phase the technology in gradually so it didn't become a massive spending exercise that all the manufacturers piled into and then exited en-masse. Batteries aren't really the performance differentiator in EV's, it's the software primarily for the re-charge strategies. There would be little to gain by teams manufacturing their own battery packs as they would just use cells from all the existing manufacturers.Like many others, I’ve tried to get with FE but failed every time. The cars are still too slow, the circuits temporary and rubbish, too many gimmmicks and attempts to force a close race that instead tend to result in a procession.
It’s not even particularly road-relevant, using batteries off the shelf. They’d be much better off making the whole drivetrain full prototype, getting several battery manufacturers involved, with the regulation weight of the car not including the battery. Yes, we’d probably see a few fires along the way, and some cars being faster than others, but that’s how things get developed quickly. Ask Mercedes why they quit FE, and also how quickly they’ve managed to transfer the new F1 engine tech onto their road cars.
Merry said:
The energy restriction is by design - it's to drive progress in efficiency. 'Fan boost' isn't a thing any more. There are also many overtakes. There are many series where the car is the same, although in this instance the power trains are all different. I do agree on the tracks though, they're now developed to the stage where they could use smaller proper Circuits. Brands Hatch would be a good one, rather than the inside of a conference centre.
Personally I like where they're at speed wise They look like they have a little too much power for the tyres/aero which makes them move about a bit. The strategy element, where its not necessarily advantageous to be in the lead adds another dimension too. I also couldn't give a monkeys about the perceived level of the drivers either. It's decent entertainment, particularly this season with the gen3 cars.
Honestly if there was an F1 race with as much going on people would mess themselves with excitement.
Hey ho. Each to their own.
Strange isn't it that we have tyre changes in F1 so adding a tactical element yet the power boost thing is seen as a negative. Personally I like where they're at speed wise They look like they have a little too much power for the tyres/aero which makes them move about a bit. The strategy element, where its not necessarily advantageous to be in the lead adds another dimension too. I also couldn't give a monkeys about the perceived level of the drivers either. It's decent entertainment, particularly this season with the gen3 cars.
Honestly if there was an F1 race with as much going on people would mess themselves with excitement.
Hey ho. Each to their own.
There are numerous overtakes but i do agree the tracks in the main are too narrow and concur that Brands would be great. Monaco was pretty good. I suppose to be consistent all F1 street circuits should then go if that is the issue for some. Personally I disagree and it would be preferable if FormulaE could use some more of the same F1 street circuits
I've watched the change in F1 cars since the mid 60s and some of them were pretty weird when compared to todays. I'm sure Gen4 cars may look quite different again and in any case will be another big step forward.
I do have to laugh at posters who say the drivers aren't great. Touring/Endurance/Rally car drivers are not F1 but they are still great talented drivers. FormulaE drivers are the same.
I assume this is related to the almighty accident in Rome.
In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the f
k down
In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the f
k downNomme de Plum said:
Terminator X said:
p4cks said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Who says FormulaE isn't exciting
Me. It's dreadful. Just like FoS yesterday, EVs going up the hill pls stop it.
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Megaflow said:
I assume this is related to the almighty accident in Rome.
In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the fk down
I was at Brands for the Supertouring meeting a couple of weeks agoIn which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the f
k downIn the second Supertouring race, the 3rd Nissan driver overtook a car under waved yellows going into Graham Hill
As he exited the corner he passed another car under yellows plus a Safety car sign before he'd gone out of my sight along Cooper Straight
His punishment? well nothing at all during the race, but post race the judicial report was to give a verbal warning for overtaking under yellows and the safety car, this was also applied to a second competitor
So, no penalty affect them for the race or licence endorsement
God forbid you go over track limits a few times though.....
Megaflow said:
I assume this is related to the almighty accident in Rome.
In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the fk down
When Sam Bird crashed i do no believe the yellow had been instigated before the next car crashed into him. I think they have a screen in the cockpit as well as trackside. Not sure about the ones that came after. In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the f
k downNomme de Plum said:
Megaflow said:
I assume this is related to the almighty accident in Rome.
In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the fk down
When Sam Bird crashed i do no believe the yellow had been instigated before the next car crashed into him. I think they have a screen in the cockpit as well as trackside. Not sure about the ones that came after. In which case, what is it going to take to get drivers to pay attention to yellow flags?
I am a marshal and dealing with an incident earlier in the year, under safety car conditions and had a Lambo GT3 car come round a *very* fast corner at full race speed trying to catch the pack, to be confronted with recovery vehicles, rescue vehicles, race cars, marshals and all sorts everywhere. He got a lot of hands waving at him to slow the f
k downNo one in their right mind will be watching Formula E London E prix on Sunday as some real motorsport is on ITV4 at the same time .
E peeps have timed it to avoid the Spa Formula 1 but a bit more difficult to avoid a day of BTCC and support races .
The race around Excel centre is dire anyway ,what were they thinking ?
E peeps have timed it to avoid the Spa Formula 1 but a bit more difficult to avoid a day of BTCC and support races .
The race around Excel centre is dire anyway ,what were they thinking ?
Seventyseven7 said:
I’ve been invited to some hospitality event on Saturday for this. What’s the difference between the Saturday and Sunday?
Also sounds like a long day, 12 until 7pm I think, is it something I should avoid, or will the free food and drink make it enjoyable enough?
Please do go ,then report back here with a real 1st hand experience of a Formula E prix race day .Also sounds like a long day, 12 until 7pm I think, is it something I should avoid, or will the free food and drink make it enjoyable enough?
Thanks in advance .
Do some minor celeb spotting whilst you're there too .
Finale said:
No one in their right mind will be watching Formula E London E prix on Sunday as some real motorsport is on ITV4 at the same time .
E peeps have timed it to avoid the Spa Formula 1 but a bit more difficult to avoid a day of BTCC and support races .
The race around Excel centre is dire anyway ,what were they thinking ?
Just been watching the London ePrix on Ch 4.E peeps have timed it to avoid the Spa Formula 1 but a bit more difficult to avoid a day of BTCC and support races .
The race around Excel centre is dire anyway ,what were they thinking ?
Managed to last about 15 minutes before the boredom set in. Dear Lord, it’s terrible.
WTF ?
A pop performance with all the drivers on the grid 3 minutes before the race .
I have no problem with extra side entertainment but that's just stupid .
Envision couldn't organise 2 drivers in order either and then one retired with damage .
He goes into the back room , camera follows , then Cassidy asks for him to leave , few minutes later camera is back but with a team member trying and failing to block it , Cassidy asks again for camera to leave .LOL !
A pop performance with all the drivers on the grid 3 minutes before the race .
I have no problem with extra side entertainment but that's just stupid .
Envision couldn't organise 2 drivers in order either and then one retired with damage .
He goes into the back room , camera follows , then Cassidy asks for him to leave , few minutes later camera is back but with a team member trying and failing to block it , Cassidy asks again for camera to leave .LOL !
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