F1 & Traction Control
Discussion
D_Mike said:
This is what I thought they did too.
I don't know how they do it - I assumed it was pukka telemetry - given that they do have it for the crew in the pits (clearly/surely).
I would suggest that the technology involved in deriving the throttle position, revs, speed, gear, brakes, etc. all from engine noise is just not on (too complicated/slow/inaccurate). How would you derive whether TC was working or not from the engine note?
There apparently live telemetry here:
http://experience.renaultf1.com/
(not yet seen it while a race is on)
D_Mike said:
Do they actually get the telemetry from the cars these days? ISTRT initially the "telemetry" graphics were generated by processing the audio and picking up the revs and gear changes simply from the engine note.
You're having a laugh, right?
This is what I thought they did too.
Tell me it ain't so!
Joe911 said:
Do they actually get the telemetry from the cars these days? ISTRT initially the "telemetry" graphics were generated by processing the audio and picking up the revs and gear changes simply from the engine note.
You're having a laugh, right?
Technology may have moved on, but teams certainly used to analyse competitors' engine audio in the way described. It was relatively simple to determine peak engine speed, which could be used to give an indication of peak power, which in turn could be used to pressure your engine partner...
As for the on-screen graphics, I've no idea of the mechanism used to capture the data, but agree it's nice to see
Didn't notice anything that looked like trick braking by the drivers (other than Alonso's avoidance of Massa
), but some teams do use s/w to blip the throttle on downchangesAs I said earlier in the thread, the on sreen 'telemetary' should be taken with a pinch of salt. The teams would not allow TV company's to tap onto their wiring harness, this would then give a possibilty of them working out how the different TC programmes work.
As for the blipping on downshift, ALL the cars will have an auto blip on the down shift to prevent the wheels locking. It is down to the car at what time it changes down, not the driver as such, therefore a driver would never be able to correctly time/match and implement blipping on downshifts.
Its possible that the ferrari was at a higher rpm when the down shift occured so the noise produced from the engine was higher and so registered on the on screen telemetary and the renaults simply did not!
As for the blipping on downshift, ALL the cars will have an auto blip on the down shift to prevent the wheels locking. It is down to the car at what time it changes down, not the driver as such, therefore a driver would never be able to correctly time/match and implement blipping on downshifts.
Its possible that the ferrari was at a higher rpm when the down shift occured so the noise produced from the engine was higher and so registered on the on screen telemetary and the renaults simply did not!
nightdriver said:Quite right nightdriver all the cars are fitted with microphones under the engine bay which is part of a separate loom dedicated to the cameras etc.
As I said earlier in the thread, the on sreen 'telemetary' should be taken with a pinch of salt. The teams would not allow TV company's to tap onto their wiring harness, this would then give a possibilty of them working out how the different TC programmes work.
As for the blipping on downshift, ALL the cars will have an auto blip on the down shift to prevent the wheels locking. It is down to the car at what time it changes down, not the driver as such, therefore a driver would never be able to correctly time/match and implement blipping on downshifts.
Its possible that the ferrari was at a higher rpm when the down shift occured so the noise produced from the engine was higher and so registered on the on screen telemetary and the renaults simply did not!
As you said all the blips on downshifts are optimised and carried out automatically buy the softwear. The changes happen so quick if it was down to the driver the dogs on the gears would not last 5 mins.
It is known for a softwear mistake to blow a gearbox to bit's
>> Edited by ngr on Monday 13th March 19:54
>> Edited by ngr on Monday 13th March 19:55
Mr_Thyroid said:
I thought the FIA had made an open telemetry and open radio rule in order to catch teams who illegally use launch control, give team orders etc.
The data is captured in a black box which only the fia can download after each session/race.
Ferrari use a top spec military radio system to stop the other teams listening in!!
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