Raikkonen vs Alonso - Who's Best?
Discussion
stumartin said:
If money was no object, why not hire both? That'd at least generate some intense competition, and reveal if Raikkonen is the orchestrator of his own misfortune..
That's what I was hoping for, until I began to reflect on what McL. could do with the money if it weren't going to KR and the Robertsons. Then again, if the loathesome peckerhead clown-who-would-rule-the-world-but-has-had-to-settle-for ruling-the-FIA ends up luckily being right, and the costs of running a team decline substantially, maybe the wealthiest teams will be over-funded.
magic torch said:
I'd go for Alonso, with a supporting driver, that would be Coulthard for me.
Considering DC's recent contributions to McLaren, which include criticising RD in print, creating a pissing contest with Montoya (you've got to piss with the cock you've got, right Dave?) and helping to poach Newey and Promodrou, I've got a feeling that he's driven his last race in a silver car.flemke said:
magic torch said:
I'd go for Alonso, with a supporting driver, that would be Coulthard for me.
Considering DC's recent contributions to McLaren, which include criticising RD in print, creating a pissing contest with Montoya (you've got to piss with the cock you've got, right Dave?) and helping to poach Newey and Promodrou, I've got a feeling that he's driven his last race in a silver car.I'm sure he has, don't think he'll be driving a Red on either. Still if I was a team boss I'd have a DC to partner Alonso over a 'rising star'.
stumartin said:
magic torch said:
Last thing you'd want is an internal battle, taking points off each other...
1988 anyone? Reckon Ron Dennis wouldn't mind a repeat..
Domination was down the package, and probably the Honda engine. If there was another team remotely at their level it might have been different. As a Senna fan I've got very happy memories of 88.
magic torch said:
stumartin said:
magic torch said:
Last thing you'd want is an internal battle, taking points off each other...
1988 anyone? Reckon Ron Dennis wouldn't mind a repeat..
Domination was down the package, and probably the Honda engine. If there was another team remotely at their level it might have been different. As a Senna fan I've got very happy memories of 88.
Yep, for every 1988 there's a 1986...
magic torch said:
Last thing you'd want is an internal battle, taking points off each other.
Ron Dennis in particular always gives the impression that he doesn't give two hoots about the drivers title, and I'm sure a lot of the other teams (Ferrari excepted!) feel the same.
Kimi can turn a faster lap, Alonso will drive a faster championship.
ApexClipper said:
pwig said:
Sato. 
As with Montoya, I've always thought that Sato is a bit of a mercurial talent.
To be honest, I reckon that given equal cars, Button would have an answer to anything Raikkonen or Alonso could come up with. Montoya could as well....
However, for the last 1 1/2 years, would you not say that Montoya has had a car equal to Raikkonen's? I don't see how you could get much closer.
I almost get the feeling that Button is seen as a bit of a soft touch by his fellow drivers. He prances around like an F1 champion, but has seldom performed like one.
The fact that he's now tied on points with Barrichello who is a lot newer to the team, and is hardly considered F1 champion material himself, leads me to believe that it's more hype than anything with Jenson.
The fact that he's now tied on points with Barrichello who is a lot newer to the team, and is hardly considered F1 champion material himself, leads me to believe that it's more hype than anything with Jenson.
As in every other walk of life, when you are at the sharp end of F1, it is very sharp indeed.
At that level, just to be an also-ran requires a degree of talent and skill that we interested punters can scarcely conceive, much less emulate.
Martin Brundle was a match for Senna in lesser formulae, and had mind-boggling car-control skills and racecraft, yet whilst Senna was thrice World Champion, during a parallel F1 career Brundle won nary a race.
Chris Amon, Jean Alesi (with the lone exception), etc.
Michael Andretti made a fool of himself in F1 - do you think he can't drive a race car?
How about Alex Zanardi - world-class, but not good enough.
You can be a fantastically-good racing driver and yet get absolutely nowhere in F1.
At that level, just to be an also-ran requires a degree of talent and skill that we interested punters can scarcely conceive, much less emulate.
Martin Brundle was a match for Senna in lesser formulae, and had mind-boggling car-control skills and racecraft, yet whilst Senna was thrice World Champion, during a parallel F1 career Brundle won nary a race.
Chris Amon, Jean Alesi (with the lone exception), etc.
Michael Andretti made a fool of himself in F1 - do you think he can't drive a race car?
How about Alex Zanardi - world-class, but not good enough.
You can be a fantastically-good racing driver and yet get absolutely nowhere in F1.
flemke said:
As in every other walk of life, when you are at the sharp end of F1, it is very sharp indeed.
I very much agree with this, believing that there are only three truly F1 worthy drivers currently in the field (no more or less than any other year/generation I would expect).
The current 'sharp' drivers IMO being Alonso, Schumacher Snr and Raikonnen (who may himself be slipping out of such a category).
It's what makes F1 as a concept so interesting - the distance between the winners and losers can sometimes be paper thin.
Andy M said:
flemke said:
As in every other walk of life, when you are at the sharp end of F1, it is very sharp indeed.
I very much agree with this, believing that there are only three truly F1 worthy drivers currently in the field (no more or less than any other year/generation I would expect).
The current 'sharp' drivers IMO being Alonso, Schumacher Snr and Raikonnen (who may himself be slipping out of such a category).
It's what makes F1 as a concept so interesting - the distance between the winners and losers can sometimes be paper thin.
The paper usually being the contract with the team they sign to a large degree
Whatever the quality of the driving, it'd be nice to see some personality in F1 again. It seems to me the PR people and agents stifle whatever interesting thoughts the current drivers have, to the point that pre and post race interviews are like the mutterings of a well prepped post-trial statement.
If a driver thought another driver was a cock, let him say it! Watching Schumacher at Spa, after crashing into Coulthard in the rain, wanting to batter coulthard, helmet, golves and all, it was great entertainment!!
As for who I'd have in the car- it'd have to be both. When it was announced that Montoya and Raikkenon would be at McLaren, it looked like two top performers in a top package. Well, potentially. Sadly, it looks like Montoya's been too busy, er, feeding and on the odd occasion both cars have finnished (did you spot the pun?), one's been miles away from the other.
I'd absolutely love to see Alonso and Raikkenon at McLaren next year, damn that would be interesting. And probably expensive, though I doubt RD would need to sell any kidneys yet.
If a driver thought another driver was a cock, let him say it! Watching Schumacher at Spa, after crashing into Coulthard in the rain, wanting to batter coulthard, helmet, golves and all, it was great entertainment!!
As for who I'd have in the car- it'd have to be both. When it was announced that Montoya and Raikkenon would be at McLaren, it looked like two top performers in a top package. Well, potentially. Sadly, it looks like Montoya's been too busy, er, feeding and on the odd occasion both cars have finnished (did you spot the pun?), one's been miles away from the other.
I'd absolutely love to see Alonso and Raikkenon at McLaren next year, damn that would be interesting. And probably expensive, though I doubt RD would need to sell any kidneys yet.
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