British GT 2003

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viperman

956 posts

266 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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tuscansix said: The reasoning behind Viperman's comment is twofold. One having seen Annie Templeton racing in the BTCC (where she didn't acquit herself very well) he was not sure if she would be able to cope with driving the viper.
Secondly Annie and Amanda only got the chance to use the car for the first time two weeks ago, now there is a substantial difference between driving a production spec 306 and a GT2 spec Viper. So all in all they made a good first attempt.


THANK YOU! perfect coment, couldnt have put it better.

tuscansix

535 posts

277 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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fauldss said: OK, so would the same comments have been made if it were two male drivers?


If the same conditions applied I don't see why not. But this is Viperman's point of view so it's upto him.

flasher

9,238 posts

285 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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But does "inexperience" cover leaving the pit garage at Rockingham testing and driving straight into the pitlane wall??



viperman, you are so obsessed with Vipers you can't see tha facts...The pair of them are in the car as a silly promotional excercise and will end up causing mayhem (like thay did on Sunday, and I did see the whole thing) due to their incompetance at this level. I'd like to think that many years of watching top level motorsport and being a reasonably experienced track day driver I would be in a position to judge. The series has lost some top notch drivers and cars since last year, Callum Lockie, Mike Jordan, Micheal Caine, Martin Short, to name a handfull.

Let's just hope it improves because the Tuscan race was crap aswell. I will be at Snetterton next weekend but if it doesn't improve.......I may not be back...

GrahamG

1,091 posts

268 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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Its easy for all of us to offer an opinion and I'm sure Annie could have made a better choice BUT she was racing in the car for the first time and was dealing with the CDL TVR and the two Moslers catching her at the trickiest part of the circuit. Not easy and certainly one of those moments that I'm glad I was standing watching it rather than sitting behind the wheel dealing with it!

hansgerd

1,274 posts

285 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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I'm totally with Mr. Goodwin here. Give them a chance and stop being negative about women in "big boy cars". They got the money, the car and the concept. I'm sure Rob can take it and so does Shorty and Dominiek. So, stay cool and await the next round.

top fuel

2,590 posts

254 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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fauldss said: And why was that? Because the car should have been able to make up for it? Even so, that would have put them around 5 laps off the pace.


I reckon this 2 minute stop cost them about 2 laps to the leaders. it was 2mins stationary. They had to get in and out of the pits too and the moslers+Piers (and CDL come to mention it!) were lapping in 1:11.s.

Extra fuel stop was for the fact that in last years championship format it would've been in GT class.

No disrespect to the girls but if slightly more competetive drivers were in the lead overall i would like to see the effect of the extra stop. Seems a little harsh in my opinion. Are many other GT spec cars going to enter in the next few races???

B T

87 posts

283 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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As a team owner I would like to say well done to Annie
and Amanda they have done an excellent job we need them in this championship. In my eyes the tuscan race was one of the best we have had in the last 3years because we saw 3 different leaders now thats a 1st for a long time.

GrahamG

1,091 posts

268 months

Tuesday 8th April 2003
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Well said Bert, that should be good enough for anyone I'd have thought.

This racing is all about a team effort. bert's lads showed that in spades and got a fighting fourth for their troubles. CMS's efforts are focussed on getting the girls up to speed - Same game, different timescales!

kevinday

11,641 posts

281 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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I did not see the race, but have read the commentary and the comment on PH. I will say well done to the girls, not just for finishing the race with so little experience of the car, but to have the 'balls' to get out there and do it in the first place.

They are inexperienced at this level, but so was everybody else at some point, and experience can only be got by being there and doing it.

I just wish I had the funds available to race at all.

bennno

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11,659 posts

270 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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viperman said: And about the incident of the moslers lapping the viper, im sory, but the viper isnt going to move onto the grass to let them pass, i didnt see it so i cant say if it was a bad move, Im sticking to my coment, im just glad the car was in one piece at the end,




The Viper, when 6 laps down, should do exactly that and get out of the way to allow the leading cars past rather than obstructing the leader and ruining the race for the car that had led for the majority of the race.


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viperman

956 posts

266 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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B T said: As a team owner I would like to say well done to Annie
and Amanda they have done an excellent job we need them in this championship. In my eyes the tuscan race was one of the best we have had in the last 3years because we saw 3 different leaders now thats a 1st for a long time.


yes, thank you, and i also thought the tuscan race was good, very close at the front.

GrahamG

1,091 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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Benno - I look forward to you showing the girls how it's done next time out then!!!

Racefan_uk

2,935 posts

257 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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The Viper, when 6 laps down, should do exactly that and get out of the way to allow the leading cars past rather than obstructing the leader and ruining the race for the car that had led for the majority of the race.


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But that is part of racing, especially endurance racing, how you deal with the traffic. It's not Annie's fault that the leading Mosler chose to go in that direction, he could have gone the other way and still have lead the race! For crying out loud, isn't that what racing is about? What actually happens on the track??? The winning Mosler nearly lost the lead before the flag anyway as the Corvette was stuck in the middle of the chicane and the driver had to lock everything up to avoid it!

You can't blame the Viper just because they were 6 laps back. They would only have been 4 laps down had they not stopped. And as has been said before, it was their first race in the car after very limited testing.

As for people on this board doing better, (whether you are a road going TVR driver or not) If I had the cash, I'd pay for you to have a test in a race prepared Viper and see just how well you got on. I can assure you I'd be pulling gravel out the chassis before the end of the day.

Rob Barff

29 posts

265 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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Guys, just leave it alone now. It was just one of those things.

bennno

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11,659 posts

270 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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Rob Barff said: Guys, just leave it alone now. It was just one of those things.


are you still sat in the car Rob?

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viperman

956 posts

266 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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btw, totaly of the subjct but did anyone else notice the white BMW 'gruppeM' schnitzer M3, color, what an amazing car.

The DJ 27

2,666 posts

254 months

Wednesday 9th April 2003
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Benno, in GT racing (and all sportscar racing), the car being lapped does not have to get out of the way. It is up to the faster car (or cars in this case) to find a way past. I saw the whole incident and it's one of the most exciting pieces of motorsport I've ever seen. It capped a truly fantastic race. Yes the girls where a little slow given the car, but i doubt there are many people on this forum who could have done a better job with similar experience. Amanda Stretton in particular i thought did very well

SPEEDY7

182 posts

261 months

Thursday 10th April 2003
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VIPERMAN the BMW is a M3 SMG with all the mods in the world it is my sponsors/friends car (well one of his cars) Kenny Chen and a very nice car at that.

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bennno

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11,659 posts

270 months

Thursday 10th April 2003
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The DJ 27 said: Benno, in GT racing (and all sportscar racing), the car being lapped does not have to get out of the way. It is up to the faster car (or cars in this case) to find a way past. I saw the whole incident and it's one of the most exciting pieces of motorsport I've ever seen. It capped a truly fantastic race. Yes the girls where a little slow given the car, but i doubt there are many people on this forum who could have done a better job with similar experience. Amanda Stretton in particular i thought did very well


I didnt realise that to be the case and thought a blue flag system was operated as in F1 to indicate to let lapping cars through.

End of posts from myself now on this thread as requested below.

Bennno

viperman

956 posts

266 months

Thursday 10th April 2003
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hi speedy/tony! sorry i didnt speak to you, saw the car in the pit box on saturday, looks bad, but there was no one in there, then sunday the garage was locked/closed, and i met up wth 'viperlady' aka Anjie, hope ill see you at the next GT meeting im at, hopefullt driving the GT3.