RE: Cheap as chips racing
Discussion
robbiemeister said:
Tuna said:
Not quite so fast, but a load of fun is the Vintage Sports Car Club - you can get an Austin Seven for a few grand, and a Fraser Nash is not much more. Both are a lot of fun, easy to work on, and the races themselves are not expensive to enter. You don't need a pit crew or to worry about having the latest or greatest kit and the club itself is pretty sociable. Many racers drive to the meets in the cars they race and there's quite a good variety of tracks and races to attend.
I agree with all the above and would add that if you turn one over you'll be lucky to get out alive!
i've never heard of a cheap frazer nash, and certainly not one thats eligable for VSCC events!
eccles said:
i've never heard of a cheap frazer nash, and certainly not one thats eligable for VSCC events!
The Fraser Nash Car Club said:
Frazer Nash was the first section to be created by the VSCC in 1948 and today, although operating independently, remains closely affiliated to the VSCC. The Frazer Nash Car Club is one of the most active in the UK, both socially and competitively.
I believe you can get one for reasonably under twenty grand, but haven't got a magazine to check that with on hand right now.
Or you could race for free iff you enter Race Academy: More at driversknow.co.uk
In 2007, the Dunlop Race Academy will be part of the inaugural Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup and British Touring Car Championship winner Matt Neal will be joining the training team and panel of judges to find a racing star of the future.
Matt Neal said: “ Dunlop Race Academy will offer a schedule of training to budding BTCC drivers and then the chance to race on track with experienced drivers in the BARC/Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup for one winner"
The competition stages have also been widened to encompass three regional semi-finals with 21 finalists taking part from across the UK. The chosen entrants will undergo training with experts such as Le Mans 24-hour racing driver, Calum Lockie. The winner gets to race in the final round at Brands Hatch on October 7th in the 200bhp Dunlop SEAT Leon FR"
In 2007, the Dunlop Race Academy will be part of the inaugural Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup and British Touring Car Championship winner Matt Neal will be joining the training team and panel of judges to find a racing star of the future.
Matt Neal said: “ Dunlop Race Academy will offer a schedule of training to budding BTCC drivers and then the chance to race on track with experienced drivers in the BARC/Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup for one winner"
The competition stages have also been widened to encompass three regional semi-finals with 21 finalists taking part from across the UK. The chosen entrants will undergo training with experts such as Le Mans 24-hour racing driver, Calum Lockie. The winner gets to race in the final round at Brands Hatch on October 7th in the 200bhp Dunlop SEAT Leon FR"
I'm in my second season racing my E30 320 Touring in the Classic Touring Car Club's Production BMW Championship. 
Yes racing will never be 'cheap' but it cost about £5k to buy and build my car, take my ARD's course, buy my suit & helmet and race for a season. Year 1 will be the most expensive and hopefully Year 2 will be cheaper....if I don't bend it!!
Yes racing will never be 'cheap' but it cost about £5k to buy and build my car, take my ARD's course, buy my suit & helmet and race for a season. Year 1 will be the most expensive and hopefully Year 2 will be cheaper....if I don't bend it!!
I agree the VSCC is an excellent way to start - its very sociable, sprints and hillclimbs only cost between £50 - £100. Trialling is cheaper but you may suffer some car damage.
I bought a 1929 Frazer Nash 3 years ago and sadly you can't buy them for just a 'bit more than Austin 7 money' or I'd have another!. However, vintage cars generally keep their value so whilst the engine rebuilds etc will cost money (if you don't have the correct facilities) you shouldn't lose your initial expenditure.
Rob
I bought a 1929 Frazer Nash 3 years ago and sadly you can't buy them for just a 'bit more than Austin 7 money' or I'd have another!. However, vintage cars generally keep their value so whilst the engine rebuilds etc will cost money (if you don't have the correct facilities) you shouldn't lose your initial expenditure.
Rob
Edited by Rob Mk2a on Thursday 1st March 12:58
robbiemeister said:
R1 GTR said:
Whats the age limit for Ginneta Junior?
12, max.
Nope it's 14. The minimum age for a Junior race licence is 14, a driver can then compete in a Junior formulas - currently these are Tcars, SaxMax, Junior Ginetta (think that's it). A driver requires a parental/legal guardian/nominated adult's countersignature at sign on and that person must remain at the circuit for the duration of the event.
At 16 a driver can have a normal licence and is no longer restricted to Junior formulas so can compete in whatever he/she wants to. A parental etc. signature at sign on is still required.
At 18 no parental signature is required.
Rob Mk2a said:
I agree the VSCC is an excellent way to start - its very sociable, sprints and hillclimbs only cost between £50 - £100. Trialling is cheaper but you may suffer some car damage.
I bought a 1929 Frazer Nash 3 years ago and sadly you can't buy them for just a 'bit more than Austin 7 money' or I'd have another!. However, vintage cars generally keep their value so whilst the engine rebuilds etc will cost money (if you don't have the correct facilities) you shouldn't lose your initial expenditure.
Rob
I bought a 1929 Frazer Nash 3 years ago and sadly you can't buy them for just a 'bit more than Austin 7 money' or I'd have another!. However, vintage cars generally keep their value so whilst the engine rebuilds etc will cost money (if you don't have the correct facilities) you shouldn't lose your initial expenditure.
Rob
Edited by Rob Mk2a on Thursday 1st March 12:58
and there we have the advantage of the Ausin 7. Kitchen table, adjustable spanner, pliers, screwdriver and hammer and you can rebuild the thing from scratch.
Piglet said:
robbiemeister said:
R1 GTR said:
Whats the age limit for Ginneta Junior?
12, max.
Nope it's 14. The minimum age for a Junior race licence is 14, a driver can then compete in a Junior formulas - currently these are Tcars, SaxMax, Junior Ginetta (think that's it). A driver requires a parental/legal guardian/nominated adult's countersignature at sign on and that person must remain at the circuit for the duration of the event.
At 16 a driver can have a normal licence and is no longer restricted to Junior formulas so can compete in whatever he/she wants to. A parental etc. signature at sign on is still required.
At 18 no parental signature is required.
Sorry, they all look so gangly and spotty I was sure none of them were older than 12. Still you live and learn. Thanks for the lesson.
If saloons/ hatchbacks are your thing, try the Classic Sports Car Club's "Tin Tops" series (www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk). You can buy a race prepared MG Maestro or a Honda CRX (see the classifieds on this site) for about £1.5K and can go racing (once you have your ARDS etc). Entry fees are extremely competitive and, as these are 2 driver races, you can share all the costs with a mate. Extremely good value.
If single seaters are your thing then you can try "Formula Free" with the same club - buy a F Ford Zetec for about £3.5-5K or a Formula Vauxhall Lotus for about £6k and race for a race entry fee of £90 plus the costs of fuel, tyres (second hand for about £10 per set) etc etc. The same cars will also be eligible for the Monoposto Racing Clubs's championships (www.monoposto.co.uk) where, in addition to the usual UK circuits you can race at the Classic Spa circuit. I have raced in Monoposto for about 4 years and can tell you that my costs (all in, everything, the lot) mount up to about £400 per race. That's still not really cheap as chips but it is probably as close to being cheap single seater racing as you can get and the performance per pound is way up there.
If single seaters are your thing then you can try "Formula Free" with the same club - buy a F Ford Zetec for about £3.5-5K or a Formula Vauxhall Lotus for about £6k and race for a race entry fee of £90 plus the costs of fuel, tyres (second hand for about £10 per set) etc etc. The same cars will also be eligible for the Monoposto Racing Clubs's championships (www.monoposto.co.uk) where, in addition to the usual UK circuits you can race at the Classic Spa circuit. I have raced in Monoposto for about 4 years and can tell you that my costs (all in, everything, the lot) mount up to about £400 per race. That's still not really cheap as chips but it is probably as close to being cheap single seater racing as you can get and the performance per pound is way up there.
robbiemeister said:
Piglet said:
robbiemeister said:
R1 GTR said:
Whats the age limit for Ginneta Junior?
12, max.
Nope it's 14. The minimum age for a Junior race licence is 14, a driver can then compete in a Junior formulas - currently these are Tcars, SaxMax, Junior Ginetta (think that's it). A driver requires a parental/legal guardian/nominated adult's countersignature at sign on and that person must remain at the circuit for the duration of the event.
At 16 a driver can have a normal licence and is no longer restricted to Junior formulas so can compete in whatever he/she wants to. A parental etc. signature at sign on is still required.
At 18 no parental signature is required.
Sorry, they all look so gangly and spotty I was sure none of them were older than 12. Still you live and learn. Thanks for the lesson.
I've signed too many of them on sadly!! They make me feel very old! I've decided I must be getting old, I used to find the young drivers attractive, now I'm much more interested in their fathers!! (yes I am female!)
ButtMonkey Racer said:
Year 1 will be the most expensive and hopefully Year 2 will be cheaper....
Thats the funniest thing I've read in ages.... dispite the fact you dont have to build a new car most people still manage to spend more over the winter than they did building the thing...
cheep racing... no such thing just some not quite so expensive racing...
having said that last season my 5th was the cheapest at 6.5k in the Tuscan
Graham said:
ButtMonkey Racer said:
Year 1 will be the most expensive and hopefully Year 2 will be cheaper....
Thats the funniest thing I've read in ages.... dispite the fact you dont have to build a new car most people still manage to spend more over the winter than they did building the thing...
cheep racing... no such thing just some not quite so expensive racing...
having said that last season my 5th was the cheapest at 6.5k in the Tuscan
Yes but Graham, you race in a series where the cars are inherently unreliable with constant changing rules so of course you will "have to spend more over the winter..."
If a new commer is not car specific about what they race and they do thier homework about championship and car choice the 2nd year is easily cheaper than year 1.
Simon Mason said:
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If a new commer is not car specific about what they race and they do thier homework about championship and car choice the 2nd year is easily cheaper than year 1.
If a new commer is not car specific about what they race and they do thier homework about championship and car choice the 2nd year is easily cheaper than year 1.
<LOL> I've got mates in all sorts of series and they all say the same thing.. its generally not that you need to spent loads over the winter its just that you do !!!!
like this winter on mine i've changed it to throttle bodies, not because i needed to but because I got offered a cracking deal. I've still got to keep it to the same max power
I compete in the BRSCC Alfa Romeo Championship (www.alfaracer.com)
We've even started a Forum recently at www.arcaforum.com
Last year, I raced a 33 1.7 in Class E, but for this year there is a new Class E for 2 litre twin spark powered cars.
This means Alfa 145 / 146 / 147 / 155 / 156 / GTV.
I bought a 156 2 litre TS, out the 'Trader for £600, with a blown engine. Stripped it, put a cage in, suspension and bought the tyres from Toyo and I'm nearly ready for Silverstone International on March 24th.
If I were starting from scratch, it'd be:
License £150
Suit £300
Lid £250
Car £600
Cage £900
Engine £750
Suspension £700
Seat £200
Fire Ext £150
Trailer £700
Championship entry £100
Tyres £240 (4 x £60)
10 races at £190
.... makes about £6500 for start up and a season of racing, with a car tthat'll be worth a minimum of £2000 upto £6,000, which is what the 2003 Championship winning 146 sold for recently.
Roll on race 1!
We've even started a Forum recently at www.arcaforum.com
Last year, I raced a 33 1.7 in Class E, but for this year there is a new Class E for 2 litre twin spark powered cars.
This means Alfa 145 / 146 / 147 / 155 / 156 / GTV.
I bought a 156 2 litre TS, out the 'Trader for £600, with a blown engine. Stripped it, put a cage in, suspension and bought the tyres from Toyo and I'm nearly ready for Silverstone International on March 24th.
If I were starting from scratch, it'd be:
License £150
Suit £300
Lid £250
Car £600
Cage £900
Engine £750
Suspension £700
Seat £200
Fire Ext £150
Trailer £700
Championship entry £100
Tyres £240 (4 x £60)
10 races at £190
.... makes about £6500 for start up and a season of racing, with a car tthat'll be worth a minimum of £2000 upto £6,000, which is what the 2003 Championship winning 146 sold for recently.
Roll on race 1!
CSCC Tin Tops Series
Club membership and Series membership= £95
Race Car= £1,900
Trailer= £500
Race Fuel for season= £140
Entry Fees for 7x40 mins (2 driver) races and 30 mins pratice= £1,950
Needed layout=£4,535
What i did with my Maestro last year for a full seasons racing sharing with my dad.
Seems to be the cheapest so far out of the above and you get doulbe the track time.
Please fell free to ask me any questions or See Here for more infomation,
www.classic-club.co.uk/
Club membership and Series membership= £95
Race Car= £1,900
Trailer= £500
Race Fuel for season= £140
Entry Fees for 7x40 mins (2 driver) races and 30 mins pratice= £1,950
Needed layout=£4,535
What i did with my Maestro last year for a full seasons racing sharing with my dad.
Seems to be the cheapest so far out of the above and you get doulbe the track time.
Please fell free to ask me any questions or See Here for more infomation,
www.classic-club.co.uk/
Edited by johnnymaestro on Monday 5th March 21:14
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