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PetrolTed said: James, B/Wedge's allegiances lie with CDL - you'll see him on race days helping out there.
This is a hitch I see with this plan - the really enthusiastic people are often already involved in some way with a team - already supporting a driver/team and having a few beers and a laugh at race weekends.
There doesn't seem to be the sort of ground swell of interest from the General TVR forum that is required to get this off the ground. Perhaps tucking this away in the Tuscan forum down at the bottom of the screen doesn't help? I know Dave put a thread in General Gassing too, but with so much traffic on that forum it soon dropped off the screen.
Move this thread to the General TVR forum?
I have allegiances with Insane Racing, however I still support this idea. Rod has a spare car ready to go and more cars are needed. CDL have David Mason, Insane have Lee Caroline and the TVR factory have Ben S. So Hawthorns need a young gun wether it is Rocket Rob or someone else.
James
James
Well as a regular PH'er I'd be willing to stump up £200 to support team PH. Pretty certain this would be a one off - you may want to investigate £25 a month for the whole year which would be more cash in the end and would be a far less painful way of doing it.
I think like a number of people I'd expect a little back in terms of access to the pit & team at some point and a cup of coffee/hospitality caravan (posh eh?).
Oh, Ted - I'd like a team PH graphic next to my name - 'cos I'm shallow
It might just spur a few others to chip in too 
Overall though it's a great idea and is the sort of thing that PH should be looking to support imho. (Not just Ted, but the community of PH too).
I think like a number of people I'd expect a little back in terms of access to the pit & team at some point and a cup of coffee/hospitality caravan (posh eh?).
Oh, Ted - I'd like a team PH graphic next to my name - 'cos I'm shallow
It might just spur a few others to chip in too Overall though it's a great idea and is the sort of thing that PH should be looking to support imho. (Not just Ted, but the community of PH too).
jamesc said: I have allegiances with Insane Racing, however I still support this idea. Rod has a spare car ready to go and more cars are needed. CDL have David Mason, Insane have Lee Caroline and the TVR factory have Ben S. So Hawthorns need a young gun wether it is Rocket Rob or someone else.
James
I didn't mean to come across as not supporting the idea. What I meant was that it needs to appeal to the wider base of TVR enthusiasts to raise the sum of money required, rather than just the smaller number of people on this forum. Probably best done with something on the PH home page, which I guess is what will happen when Dave and Rod have discussed it further.
smifffy said: I think like a number of people I'd expect a little back
I agree with Smiffy it's a great idea and is the sort of thing that PH should be looking to support. I signed up for the TVRCC sponsor scheme which seems to be having problems getting started (apart from the CDL sponsorship of some members). I was also interested in stumping up the £75 to Team Britnell last year, but unfortunately now not racing.
I like others i am sure are interested, but before i part with £200 (of as my wife will see it, part of her clothing allowance) will need a few more details.
Ted's idea of making a weekend of it certainly appeals to me, as i often find myself roaming around paddock and trackside like Billy no mates.
Steve
PetrolTed said: James, B/Wedge's allegiances lie with CDL - you'll see him on race days helping out there.
James, Ted is right my allegiance is firmly with CDL and I can be found with them at race weekends.
I think the idea put forward is a great one, and I wish it every success if you all take it forward, regrettfully the uptake of TVRCC Regions supporting/sponsoring team's or drivers did not get a great responce, This is a shame as the idea and intent was to allow people to get closer to the action and if they felt inclined get thier hands dirty.
Any idea that puts more cars on the grid has got to be good for TVR motorsport nut's.
I would love to see Rob in one of the car's, he is a great guy and has a lot of talent to offer.
29 Two quick snippits to pass on, Petrol Ted and I have had a chat and we are now working on some of the finer details so we can present you with a more defined set of proposals, watch this or in fact a more prominent space within the next few days.
Thanks to all of you for the support you have given to this idea, it's still early days, with no guarantee of success, but your reactions have pushed us to the next stage, lets keep our fingers crossed!!!
My usual race partner, Jan Persson is unable to be at Croft, he's pissing about in the Middle East flogging oil pipe joints or something, anyway his place will be taken by Lawrence Tomlinson as a one off for the Croft race. LT has driven Tuscans in the past and knows what they are like so it shouldn't be too much of a shock to him. His main racing is in Radicals, umm! Still we will forgive him for that and wish him good luck and a safe weekend.
Rod and I have spoken and fleshed out the idea. I've got some enquiries to make regarding accomodation etc to see if we can put together a weekend package. All in would probably be more like £300 but that would include accomodation, some team PH gear, tickets into the track, hospitality/BBQ during the day etc.
The car would be run as a PistonHeads branded car with a good driver who could give us some excitement and a potential podium.
Once we've got together a firm proposition I'll post details up on the main site. The whole project would be subject to finding enough participants as there is no alternative source of funding initially. We'll aim for one of the summer meetings first and see what we can do off the back of that later.
Anyway, watch this space... will take me a few days to investigate the options...
The car would be run as a PistonHeads branded car with a good driver who could give us some excitement and a potential podium.
Once we've got together a firm proposition I'll post details up on the main site. The whole project would be subject to finding enough participants as there is no alternative source of funding initially. We'll aim for one of the summer meetings first and see what we can do off the back of that later.
Anyway, watch this space... will take me a few days to investigate the options...
pies said: Sorry to display my ignorance but can somebody explain CDL
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Still well and trully interested TED
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The £25 a month idea has given me a thought. What about a raffle for those that can't afford £200 or £300 for a weekend. Issue say 30 tickets at £10 each with the prize being to attend the race weekend?
Don't Dome pay for one of their cars at Le Mans by selling little spaces all over the car?
I wouldn't mind sponsoring this but not sure my budget expands to it. Think the other half might have something to say. Don't have my own company or anything to pass it through!
However idea looks good.
Don't Dome pay for one of their cars at Le Mans by selling little spaces all over the car?
I wouldn't mind sponsoring this but not sure my budget expands to it. Think the other half might have something to say. Don't have my own company or anything to pass it through!
However idea looks good.
Not sure this ones a flyer ted?
What is the main benefit to those whom contribute from a personal level, i chipped in a couple of hundred in sponsorship money a year or so back and got nothing in return. Admittedly it wasnt a massive amount but it did leave me questioning why I bothered.
Its fine as a method of driving the PH brand but in my personal view offers little to the individuals whom would be funding it.
Why not do it as a Hawthornes / Pistonheads branded to halve the costs. Perhaps some of your advertisers would jump on the bandwagon to boost their cred.
Bennno
What is the main benefit to those whom contribute from a personal level, i chipped in a couple of hundred in sponsorship money a year or so back and got nothing in return. Admittedly it wasnt a massive amount but it did leave me questioning why I bothered.
Its fine as a method of driving the PH brand but in my personal view offers little to the individuals whom would be funding it.
Why not do it as a Hawthornes / Pistonheads branded to halve the costs. Perhaps some of your advertisers would jump on the bandwagon to boost their cred.
Bennno
www.mulsannescorner.com/dome.html
It might end looking like the Dome that ran at Le Mans in 2000
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Sponsorship - the bane of all drivers!! normally the talented berift of a large bank balance.
I tried and failed to get decent sized corporate sponsorship for Tuscans a few years back - no easy task and we had some big boys along for the ride. The idea is not original but certainly worth pushing. Can this car be made into a 2 seater for sponsors to get laps in?
2ndly which venue do you propose to offer accomodation at? Depending on the hotel and/or chain I might be able to get a good deal + the trade is going thro a rough time generally and would be interested in a something a little different that might help boost interest.
It might end looking like the Dome that ran at Le Mans in 2000
. Sponsorship - the bane of all drivers!! normally the talented berift of a large bank balance.
I tried and failed to get decent sized corporate sponsorship for Tuscans a few years back - no easy task and we had some big boys along for the ride. The idea is not original but certainly worth pushing. Can this car be made into a 2 seater for sponsors to get laps in?
2ndly which venue do you propose to offer accomodation at? Depending on the hotel and/or chain I might be able to get a good deal + the trade is going thro a rough time generally and would be interested in a something a little different that might help boost interest.
bennno said:
What is the main benefit to those whom contribute from a personal level, i chipped in a couple of hundred in sponsorship money a year or so back and got nothing in return. Admittedly it wasnt a massive amount but it did leave me questioning why I bothered.
I'm totally with you on this one as I've done the same in the past. That's the challenge to me - make it an attractive proposition. The proposal is always going to be open to financial scrutiny as at the end of the day you're still giving £200 to a team which they need to spend on the car. They need to provide plenty of cups of coffee, BBQs and goodwill and interest to match that value.
It's also important to me to secure a capable driver. I've dipped in my pocket before to watch someone tool around at the back of the grid and then crash. It's important that your allegiances are matched to someone capable of mixing it up front - more exciting and feels more worthwhile that you've enabled someone talented to upset the apple cart with the regular race winners.
What we want to do is make the whole weekend a fun outing and the chance to get close to the team and driver and have a big piss up Saturday night before cheering on a potential winner on the Sunday.
What we're proposing is that you and the missus can have a fun weekend away with like minded people, own some exlusive teamPH clothing (
), watch some racing from a slightly different perspective and enjoy a piss up and feel involved. 
If we can establish the concept and credibility of the 'PistonHeads' car and perhaps gain some notoriety from the concept than future excursions may attract corporate sponsorship to make things cheaper.
What I will do is put together a proposed package for one of the rounds. If we get enough takers then we're away, if not then we chalk it up as 'ideas tried'.
Ted,
Whilst I appreciate that the £300 one-off weekend charge is the more attractive to you as an organiser, if you want long term support I think you need to consider the low rent monthly charge. I don't think the one off fee will work.
Yes, there's an admin overhead - but you'll get a better longterm investment and more reliable income.
Personally I can't see myself forking out £300 in a one off to watch the Tuscans when I can go down to a track, pay £15 and watch them anytime. However, if I was donating £25 a month I wouldn't notice the loss from my account and I'd feel I was supporting the team in an involved, on-going type of way rather than feeling was being frisked for £300 for a one off event.
Bear in mind also that personally, I'd rather attend 2 events @ £150 rather than 1 event @ £300. When you were talking £200 I considered it steep but acceptable. £300 has over stepped my mark.
For £300 in one month I could do a track day or go to Le Mans. For £25 a month I can fill half the petrol tank.
All imho.
Good luck either way
Whilst I appreciate that the £300 one-off weekend charge is the more attractive to you as an organiser, if you want long term support I think you need to consider the low rent monthly charge. I don't think the one off fee will work.
Yes, there's an admin overhead - but you'll get a better longterm investment and more reliable income.
Personally I can't see myself forking out £300 in a one off to watch the Tuscans when I can go down to a track, pay £15 and watch them anytime. However, if I was donating £25 a month I wouldn't notice the loss from my account and I'd feel I was supporting the team in an involved, on-going type of way rather than feeling was being frisked for £300 for a one off event.
Bear in mind also that personally, I'd rather attend 2 events @ £150 rather than 1 event @ £300. When you were talking £200 I considered it steep but acceptable. £300 has over stepped my mark.
For £300 in one month I could do a track day or go to Le Mans. For £25 a month I can fill half the petrol tank.
All imho.
Good luck either way
Like B/wedge and JamesC I too have an allegiance to a particular race team (TopCats Racing, the dog’s kahooners of a team, by far and away the best team 
-www.topcatsracing.com for those that want a look ) with Rob we took the Rookie of the year award for last season, unfortunately neither the team or Rob is not running in Tuscans this year. It would be good to see more cars on the grid and if this project is able to help then, this is great, if Rob is able to get his ass off the sofa and into a race car again then he’d be able to pedal it to a definite top 5 finish.
As for the costs, though they seem high they are what it takes to get a car up and out there on a competitive basis, not sure though that £300 per race will be a cost many can afford/willing to stump up. The cost per month thing does sound like a good idea though…….
-www.topcatsracing.com for those that want a look ) with Rob we took the Rookie of the year award for last season, unfortunately neither the team or Rob is not running in Tuscans this year. It would be good to see more cars on the grid and if this project is able to help then, this is great, if Rob is able to get his ass off the sofa and into a race car again then he’d be able to pedal it to a definite top 5 finish. As for the costs, though they seem high they are what it takes to get a car up and out there on a competitive basis, not sure though that £300 per race will be a cost many can afford/willing to stump up. The cost per month thing does sound like a good idea though…….
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