Is this the end for Kimi?
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some very interesting things going to happen in the F1 paddock I suspect before the year is out...The Hypno-Toad said:
Here's a little snippet that might give this a little more credeance. Guess who Rosberg's agent is? Would it be Nicolas Todt?
And whose son might he be?
I think that there is another man on the grid that is managed by Nicolas Todt. I'll give you a clue.... He is Brazilian and drives a red carAnd whose son might he be?
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Thursday 21st June 15:50
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Thursday 21st June 15:51
Racefan_uk said:
Fidgits said:
Hamilton - not actually very good, but has a great car...
Oh, I don't know, he's making a back-to-back world champion sit up and beg and at the minute, he can't be THAT bad...
I watched Alonso all afternnon at Silverstone and you can tell that he has not worked out how to get the best out of the chassis. He was trying all sorts of techniques and still got destroyed by Massa.
loneranger said:
Racefan_uk said:
Fidgits said:
Hamilton - not actually very good, but has a great car...
Oh, I don't know, he's making a back-to-back world champion sit up and beg and at the minute, he can't be THAT bad...I watched Alonso all afternnon at Silverstone and you can tell that he has not worked out how to get the best out of the chassis. He was trying all sorts of techniques and still got destroyed by Massa.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
"Michael has said Kimi and Fernando (Alonso) were his toughest rivals, and Alonso has said the same about Raikkonen and Schumacher," he said.
"Michael has said Kimi and Fernando (Alonso) were his toughest rivals, and Alonso has said the same about Raikkonen and Schumacher," he said.
Kimi is class and class is permanent.
Lewis and Alonso are racers. They are only fast in a fast car.
Really fast divers, who carry big corner speed, are suprisingly rare in F1.
There are two completely different skills in F1. Being fast and being a racer.
Damon Hill was massively, eye wateringly, fast. One of the fastest ever. But he was never a racer.
Coulthard has spent a whole career qualifying lower than he should on the grid, then more than making up for it in the race.
Next year will be fun.
A lot of people that you think are good will not measure up.
And the class drivers will shine. And there is nobody faster than Kimi.
Lewis and Alonso are racers. They are only fast in a fast car.
Really fast divers, who carry big corner speed, are suprisingly rare in F1.
There are two completely different skills in F1. Being fast and being a racer.
Damon Hill was massively, eye wateringly, fast. One of the fastest ever. But he was never a racer.
Coulthard has spent a whole career qualifying lower than he should on the grid, then more than making up for it in the race.
Next year will be fun.
A lot of people that you think are good will not measure up.
And the class drivers will shine. And there is nobody faster than Kimi.
loneranger said:
At Ferrari this year the problem is the car, not the driver.
You think its pure coincidence that Schumacher leaves and immediately ferrari have a bad car?I truly believe if MS was still driving he'd be on his way to his 8th title in that car, and Lewis, unfortunately, would have had a taste of the gravel by now.
Heebeegeetee said:
loneranger said:
At Ferrari this year the problem is the car, not the driver.
You think its pure coincidence that Schumacher leaves and immediately ferrari have a bad car?I truly believe if MS was still driving he'd be on his way to his 8th title in that car, and Lewis, unfortunately, would have had a taste of the gravel by now.
But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
loneranger said:
Probably.
But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
Hmm. I thought Ferrari would lose people, when they saw what Kimi was like, and from what you say that is turning out to be right. If Kimi was good they'd stay.But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
If Kimi was good, he'd have a championship under his belt by now. He's absolutely no excuse for not having one. Two years at McLaren and now at Ferrari, yet each time he has reliability issues, and his car never seems quite the best. Yet the moment somebody else jumps into his vacant seat, wham, the car is contending for the championship.
Michael had success with Ferrari, FA had success at Renault, Lewis is having success at mcLaren, what the hell is Kimi doing?
loneranger said:
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
Do you know that for a fact or are you linking the "white substance in Monaco fuel tanks" with the criminal proceedings against Nigel Stepney? Did your friend with the international superlicence tell you that? I'm just interested - I know even less about this than you do...Also, you suggest that people who carry big speed into a corner are rare in F1 - What about Alonso taking Schumacher at the 130R? Hamilton carries huge speed into the corner, Webber and Trulli do too...
rubystone said:
Also, you suggest that people who carry big speed into a corner are rare in F1 - What about Alonso taking Schumacher at the 130R? Hamilton carries huge speed into the corner, Webber and Trulli do too...
Yes I think that those who balance the car and hold all four tyres on the limit through a wide range of bends are rare.Most drivers seem to be either understeerers or oversteerers, which ultimately cannot be as fast as it is not getting the most out of the chassis.
You are very right about Webber and Truli. At various stages over the last few years both of them have put in totally stunning single laps. They both seem to have trouble doing this for race distance and converting it into points.
Hamilton is an oversteerer. He has the car set up with a very loose back end and steers with his right foot a lot.
Alonso likes to lean on stabilising understeer.
Both of these cannot, by the laws of phsics, be as fast as a neutral, balanced driver.
Heebeegeetee said:
loneranger said:
Probably.
But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
Hmm. I thought Ferrari would lose people, when they saw what Kimi was like, and from what you say that is turning out to be right. If Kimi was good they'd stay.But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
If Kimi was good, he'd have a championship under his belt by now. He's absolutely no excuse for not having one. Two years at McLaren and now at Ferrari, yet each time he has reliability issues, and his car never seems quite the best. Yet the moment somebody else jumps into his vacant seat, wham, the car is contending for the championship.
Michael had success with Ferrari, FA had success at Renault, Lewis is having success at mcLaren, what the hell is Kimi doing?
stew-typeR said:
Heebeegeetee said:
loneranger said:
Probably.
But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
Hmm. I thought Ferrari would lose people, when they saw what Kimi was like, and from what you say that is turning out to be right. If Kimi was good they'd stay.But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
If Kimi was good, he'd have a championship under his belt by now. He's absolutely no excuse for not having one. Two years at McLaren and now at Ferrari, yet each time he has reliability issues, and his car never seems quite the best. Yet the moment somebody else jumps into his vacant seat, wham, the car is contending for the championship.
Michael had success with Ferrari, FA had success at Renault, Lewis is having success at mcLaren, what the hell is Kimi doing?
freedman said:
stew-typeR said:
Heebeegeetee said:
loneranger said:
Probably.
But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
Hmm. I thought Ferrari would lose people, when they saw what Kimi was like, and from what you say that is turning out to be right. If Kimi was good they'd stay.But the donkeys lost a lot of top people at the same time.
Then their wind tunnel self distructed.
Then one of their top technicians messed with the cars (allegedly).
If I could choose between Kimi/Massa and Alonso/Hamilton it would be the former every time. They are just so much faster.
If Kimi was good, he'd have a championship under his belt by now. He's absolutely no excuse for not having one. Two years at McLaren and now at Ferrari, yet each time he has reliability issues, and his car never seems quite the best. Yet the moment somebody else jumps into his vacant seat, wham, the car is contending for the championship.
Michael had success with Ferrari, FA had success at Renault, Lewis is having success at mcLaren, what the hell is Kimi doing?
freedman said:
It was very reliable in 2005, and he still didnt win the championship,
Lets look at 2005.The season finished with Alonso on 133 points, Kimi on 112 and Schumacher on 62.
Kimi won 7 races was 2nd 3 times and 3rd twice.
He had 5 poles and 10 fastest laps.
His non podium finishes were:
Melbourne 8th after starting from pit lane.
Malasia 9th after puncture.
San Marino Did Not Finish (DNF) driveshaft failiure.
European 11th tyre damage vibrations broke front suspension.
USA Did Not Start Michelin tyre problems.
Germany DNF engine failiure.
So it was down to luck over a season that he didn't win the championship.
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