Is this the end for Kimi?

[MrKipling43]

flemke said:

I am a fan of Smokey Yunick's, however, and he bent the rules as much as he could do.

I think describing Smokey Yunick as a rule bender is probably a bit like describing Ferrari's actions in Austria 2002 as 'borderline unsporting'.

Having said that, the man was a lengend.

My two personal faves were the false-bottomed degreaser tank ('scrutineer spec' cranks from the top 'race spec' ones from the bottom) and the flywheel supercharger. He was utterly brilliant.

[MrKipling43]

alman said:

Kimi sleeps with the light on, not because he's scared of the dark; because the dark is scared of him

Kimi's so fast, that when he switches the light off in his room before bed, he's under the covers before it gets dark.

[Heebeegeetee]

MrKipling43 said:

flemke said:

I am a fan of Smokey Yunick's, however, and he bent the rules as much as he could do.

I think describing Smokey Yunick as a rule bender is probably a bit like describing Ferrari's actions in Austria 2002 as 'borderline unsporting'.

Having said that, the man was a lengend.

My two personal faves were the false-bottomed degreaser tank ('scrutineer spec' cranks from the top 'race spec' ones from the bottom) and the flywheel supercharger. He was utterly brilliant.

Wasn't it Smokey who turned up at scrutineering with a car once, and declared "This is car is illegal! But you tell me why!"

Funny how we can laugh at some rule bending and not others. I mean, I think it can be said that some of Chapmans desire to stretch the boundaries undoubtedly put some people in hospital , if not worse.

Yet he's a legend and Schumacher (who never hurt anyone) is a dirty cheating german nazi stormtrooper.

[jacobyte]

Heebeegeetee said:

Schumacher (who never hurt anyone)

Not for wont of trying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm4PFEE8C3o

Here another Schuey punt-off moment to cheer you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmyOlf5ff0

[Heebeegeetee]

Ah well, might as well include this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWFl6TjfLg&mod...

[flemke]

jacobyte said:

Heebeegeetee said:

Schumacher (who never hurt anyone)

Not for wont of trying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm4PFEE8C3o

Here another Schuey punt-off moment to cheer you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmyOlf5ff0

Much as I criticise Schum., the first clip I believe was from the incident at Spa when he rammed the back of Coulthard. Afterwards, Coulthard held up his hand and said that he had made an error of judgment and himself caused the shunt.
In the second, Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.


As for this:

Heebeegeetee said:

Ah well, might as well include this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWFl6TjfLg&mod...

I'm afraid I can't see why you've posted it, Heebgt. Hill was manifestly quicker, Schumacher made him work to get past, and ultimately Hill did - in a fair fight.

[deevlash]

flemke said:

jacobyte said:

Heebeegeetee said:

Schumacher (who never hurt anyone)

Not for wont of trying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm4PFEE8C3o

Here another Schuey punt-off moment to cheer you up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmyOlf5ff0

Much as I criticise Schum., the first clip I believe was from the incident at Spa when he rammed the back of Coulthard. Afterwards, Coulthard held up his hand and said that he had made an error of judgment and himself caused the shunt.
In the second, Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.


As for this:

Heebeegeetee said:

Ah well, might as well include this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWFl6TjfLg&mod...

I'm afraid I can't see why you've posted it, Heebgt. Hill was manifestly quicker, Schumacher made him work to get past, and ultimately Hill did - in a fair fight.

DC only recently admitted fault for the spa crash, saying he was a bit young and inexperienced at the time.

[Frik]

deevlash said:

DC only recently admitted fault for the spa crash, saying he was a bit young and inexperienced at the time.

Blimey. How long ago was this?

[jacobyte]

flemke said:

jacobyte said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmyOlf5ff0

Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.

I was always told it's illegal to cross the pit exit chevrons (not that it's particularly a problem in this instance).

flemke said:

As for this:

Heebeegeetee said:

Ah well, might as well include this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWFl6TjfLg&mod...

I'm afraid I can't see why you've posted it, Heebgt. Hill was manifestly quicker, Schumacher made him work to get past, and ultimately Hill did - in a fair fight.

Not sure - Hill gave MS plenty of lateral room when alongside mid-corner, whereas MS didn't reciprocate, but rather used the full width, requiring Hill to back off, before weaving for a whole lap. Hill was right to be cautious, as he knows that the puntmeister would only do what he's famous for.

Frik said:

deevlash said:

DC only recently admitted fault for the spa crash, saying he was a bit young and inexperienced at the time.

Blimey. How long ago was this?

Even so, it showed that MS could never control himself when the chips were down.

[deevlash]

Frik said:

deevlash said:

DC only recently admitted fault for the spa crash, saying he was a bit young and inexperienced at the time.

Blimey. How long ago was this?

There were dinosaurs and everything! I cant remember exactly but I think it was around the time he joined red bull that he finally said it was his fault for lifting off too abruptly or somesuch. Im not quite sure how inexperienced he would have been as he'd already been at williams and had had at least one season in the mclaren, maybe 2 or more.

[baz1985]

TBH, I am a Kimi fan. I acknowledge that he isn't the most complete driver nor the fastest. However, I admire his 'I don't give a f8ck...go f8ck yourself approach...I'll do what I want'.

[flemke]

jacobyte said:

I was always told it's illegal to cross the pit exit chevrons (not that it's particularly a problem in this instance).

Agreed. In this case, however, the chevrons appear to interfere with the actual racing line, so does anyone know the interpretation?

jacobyte said:

Not sure - Hill gave MS plenty of lateral room when alongside mid-corner, whereas MS didn't reciprocate, but rather used the full width, requiring Hill to back off, before weaving for a whole lap. Hill was right to be cautious, as he knows that the puntmeister would only do what he's famous for.

Yes, although one has seen worse [although I can't seem to recall from which driver...].
I replied as I did because I thought that Heebs was citing the clip to suggest that Hill's overtake was ultimately successful because he had forced Schumacher off the circuit, which was not the way I saw it.

jacobyte said:

Frik said:

deevlash said:

DC only recently admitted fault for the spa crash, saying he was a bit young and inexperienced at the time.

Blimey. How long ago was this?

Even so, it showed that MS could never control himself when the chips were down.

I think deevlash is correct that Coulthard's admission was made at about the time that he joined Red Bull.
I sloppily used the word "afterwards", when I should have written "later".

[Teppic]

flemke said:

In the second, Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.

Blue lights at the end of the pit-lane were not in place in 1998. It was this very incident that led to their introduction.

Edited because I'm suffering from stupid fingers and attributing quotes to the wrong person

Edited by Teppic on Wednesday 18th July 00:01

[deevlash]

Teppic said:

flemke said:

In the second, Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.

Blue lights at the end of the pit-lane were not in place in 1998. It was this very incident that led to their introduction.

Edited for because it wasnt me that said that

[flemke]

Teppic said:

flemke said:

In the second, Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.

Blue lights at the end of the pit-lane were not in place in 1998. It was this very incident that led to their introduction.

Interesting fact.

[flemke]

Heebeegeetee said:

MrKipling43 said:

flemke said:

I am a fan of Smokey Yunick's, however, and he bent the rules as much as he could do.

I think describing Smokey Yunick as a rule bender is probably a bit like describing Ferrari's actions in Austria 2002 as 'borderline unsporting'.

Having said that, the man was a lengend.

My two personal faves were the false-bottomed degreaser tank ('scrutineer spec' cranks from the top 'race spec' ones from the bottom) and the flywheel supercharger. He was utterly brilliant.

Wasn't it Smokey who turned up at scrutineering with a car once, and declared "This is car is illegal! But you tell me why!"

Smokey's all-time best was the "stock car" that he built to 7/8 scale, and entered in the Daytona 500, where frontal area has a dominant influence on one's lap time.

[deevlash]

flemke said:

Heebeegeetee said:

MrKipling43 said:

flemke said:

I am a fan of Smokey Yunick's, however, and he bent the rules as much as he could do.

I think describing Smokey Yunick as a rule bender is probably a bit like describing Ferrari's actions in Austria 2002 as 'borderline unsporting'.

Having said that, the man was a lengend.

My two personal faves were the false-bottomed degreaser tank ('scrutineer spec' cranks from the top 'race spec' ones from the bottom) and the flywheel supercharger. He was utterly brilliant.

Wasn't it Smokey who turned up at scrutineering with a car once, and declared "This is car is illegal! But you tell me why!"

Smokey's all-time best was the "stock car" that he built to 7/8 scale, and entered in the Daytona 500, where frontal area has a dominant influence on one's lap time.

Id never heard of this guy, he sounds brilliant, Im going to do some reading on him, any links?

[flemke]

deevlash said:

Id never heard of this guy, he sounds brilliant, Im going to do some reading on him, any links?

You don't know what you're missing, bro:

http://www.shoclub.com/editorial/smokey.htm

[deevlash]

flemke said:

deevlash said:

Id never heard of this guy, he sounds brilliant, Im going to do some reading on him, any links?

You don't know what you're missing, bro:

http://www.shoclub.com/editorial/smokey.htm

[Teppic]

deevlash said:

Teppic said:

flemke said:

In the second, Patrick Head is very agitated, but at the pit exit there is always a blue light to remind the exiting driver that he must yield to any car already on the circuit. IMHO, in this example what Schumacher did was thuggish but within the rules.

Blue lights at the end of the pit-lane were not in place in 1998. It was this very incident that led to their introduction.

Edited for because it wasnt me that said that

Corrected now, thanks.