Can someone please explain the Hungary GP to me

[ewenm]

G Man said:

I totally agree Mclaren should not drop any points, but you missed the point the Stewards are now punishing a team and driver for how long they pit, seems to me they are doing this to ensure 1 particular driver wins the World title, they did this with Schumacher in the past, this suits their purpose and Bernie thinks a young f1 "tiger woods" is marketable

I thought they were punishing a driver for blocking another during qualifying. Alonso would have been punished for blocking the pit lane at the start of the final session, so blocking Hamilton in the pits is exactly the same. The stewards have decided not to believe Alsonso's explanation of him arguing about the tyres. He could have spent as much time as he liked in the pits if doing so didn't block another driver.

F1 seems to generate more conspiracy theorists every week.

[Gold]

G Man said:

woof said:

I think yr missing the point here - the team were penalized here - they've the one that lost the points. Alonso still scored points (in fact only dropped a couple of points to Lewis)

It's total nonsense that the team lost it's points - Mclaren should protest it - but i fear that they are worried that the appeal could be used against them and in the bigger scheme of things isn't worth the risk that it might effect the court of appeal hearing

G Man said:

The Stewards have now opened a can of worms here, they have created a new rule on the fly, how long you are entitled to pit ... seems to me the problem was an internal Mclaren issue and has nothing to do with qualifying as both cars were being worked on, if Alonso had decided he was happy with his Afternoons work what ever his position, he could have decided to get out of the car, taking 10-20 secs and wrecking Hamilton last run. Should he have been penalized then , of course not !!
Mclaren run both car down to the wire on time and one now suffered ...

This simply looks like the FIA doing whatever is required to deliver Hamilton the F1 crown, because he is "marketable".

Hamilton is starting to behave like a spoiled brat, not obeying team orders from Ron who has sponsored him to where he is. If I was Ron I would replace Hamilton for the next race with the test driver, to show who is in charge of Mclaren

I totally agree Mclaren should not drop any points, but you missed the point the Stewards are now punishing a team and driver for how long they pit, seems to me they are doing this to ensure 1 particular driver wins the World title, they did this with Schumacher in the past, this suits their purpose and Bernie thinks a young f1 "tiger woods" is marketable

I dont think there was any clear favouring of Hamilton, Hamiltons so called impeding of Alonso and disobeying of team orders whilst Alonso very clearly affected the results.

Fisi was punished by the same amount for an impedment, why is this unfair for Alonso?

[Piglet]

...were Fisi's team penalised as well?

[FourWheelDrift]

ewenm said:

G Man said:

I totally agree Mclaren should not drop any points, but you missed the point the Stewards are now punishing a team and driver for how long they pit, seems to me they are doing this to ensure 1 particular driver wins the World title, they did this with Schumacher in the past, this suits their purpose and Bernie thinks a young f1 "tiger woods" is marketable

I thought they were punishing a driver for blocking another during qualifying. Alonso would have been punished for blocking the pit lane at the start of the final session, so blocking Hamilton in the pits is exactly the same.

It's the same thing as what Schumacher did in Monaco last year (he lost his times and was thrown to the back of the gird) although Alonso's penalty was not as severe as MS. No idea why as it amounted to the same thing.

[ewenm]

FourWheelDrift said:

ewenm said:

G Man said:

I totally agree Mclaren should not drop any points, but you missed the point the Stewards are now punishing a team and driver for how long they pit, seems to me they are doing this to ensure 1 particular driver wins the World title, they did this with Schumacher in the past, this suits their purpose and Bernie thinks a young f1 "tiger woods" is marketable

I thought they were punishing a driver for blocking another during qualifying. Alonso would have been punished for blocking the pit lane at the start of the final session, so blocking Hamilton in the pits is exactly the same.

It's the same thing as what Schumacher did in Monaco last year (he lost his times and was thrown to the back of the gird) although Alonso's penalty was not as severe as MS. No idea why as it amounted to the same thing.

Probably because MS left the car in a dangerous position - Alonso's actions were deemed to be unsporting but not dangerous.

[_Batty_]

Piglet said:

...were Fisi's team penalised as well?

good point......

Clarkson once wrote about the F1 Circus (1997 in Jerez i believe where 3 cars qualified with the same time) about how much Berni and his chums storyline the F1 season.
it was all tongue in cheek, but occasionly i does make you think....

[nioks]

Question. Why didn't the lightning responsed Hamilton shoot through the pit lane when he realised he was being impeeded. He could have then buggered up FA's qualy lap then. It's not as though he would have been light on fuel, and could have legitimately blamed a 'slow' lap on not having time to change to new tyres.

To answer my own question, I suppose the new wonderkid is only just learning the rules of the playground. And as it is, it all worked out quite well for him.

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

[G Man]

FourWheelDrift said:

It's the same thing as what Schumacher did in Monaco last year (he lost his times and was thrown to the back of the gird) although Alonso's penalty was not as severe as MS. No idea why as it amounted to the same thing.

I plainly different, Schumacher blocked the track and another team, F1 is a "TEAM" sport, Alonso blocked his team mate in their garages, not in the pit lane either, no other teams effected, all he did was a slow getting away deliberately granted, its a Mclaren problem not the FIA.

Take the emotion that he blocked "Lewis" out of the equation, if Button had done it to Barrichello we would not give a monkeys

[ewenm]

G Man said:

FourWheelDrift said:

It's the same thing as what Schumacher did in Monaco last year (he lost his times and was thrown to the back of the gird) although Alonso's penalty was not as severe as MS. No idea why as it amounted to the same thing.

I plainly different, Schumacher blocked the track and another team, F1 is a "TEAM" sport, Alonso blocked his team mate in their garages, not in the pit lane either, no other teams effected, all he did was a slow getting away deliberately granted, its a Mclaren problem not the FIA.

Take the emotion that he blocked "Lewis" out of the equation, if Button had done it to Barrichello we would not give a monkeys

I don't think the regulation about not impeding another driver in qualifying makes any distinction between teammates and others.

Any driver displaying unsporting actions should be punished in some way. Their nationality is irrelevant.

[David_s]

If Alonso had been thinking quickly he would have 'stalled' in his pit box and needed to be re-started, instead he very obviously delayed Hamilton to repay the earlier slight. I think that if McLaren had issued a statement saying 'we have no idea why Alonso didn't leave his pitbox as soon as the lollipop was raised, we told him to go but he didn't' then the punishment would have been Alonso's alone, by trying to shift the blame from Alonso the team became complicit in the delay and were punished with the removal of any constructor points earned, all IMO.

[miniman]

Do the "no team orders" rules apply only to the race itself?

[10 Pence Short]

I may be wrong, but wasn't the penalty relating to bringing the sport into disrepute?

[ewenm]

10 Pence Short said:

I may be wrong, but wasn't the penalty relating to bringing the sport into disrepute?

I think the team penalty was for that. Alonso's penalty was for impeding another driver in qualifying.

[LocoBlade]

SKR said:

LocoBlade said:

Alonso spent another 10 seconds sitting in the box "clarifying whether he had the right tyres on or not", and it was this additional 10s delay that caused Hamilton to miss his last quali run.

I thought Alonso was kicking off about them putting him on hard compound tyres, when he wanted the softs compound that Hamilton was on?

Isnt that pretty much what I said? LOL

[LocoBlade]

nioks said:

Question. Why didn't the lightning responsed Hamilton shoot through the pit lane when he realised he was being impeeded. He could have then buggered up FA's qualy lap then. It's not as though he would have been light on fuel, and could have legitimately blamed a 'slow' lap on not having time to change to new tyres.

To answer my own question, I suppose the new wonderkid is only just learning the rules of the playground. And as it is, it all worked out quite well for him.

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Id hazard a guess you didn't see the event unfold other than a snippet on the news possibly?

It was always intended for Hamilton to queue behind Alonso for a few seconds until Alonso was released so when approaching his pit Hamilton had no reason to carry straight on through. If Alonso had left the pit box when Mclaren planned (when the lollipop was raised) there wouldnt have been an issue and Lewis would have managed his second flying lap. Only after queueing for a few seconds did the lollipop go up and it became clear that Alonso wasn't going anywhere.

[g4ry13]

nioks said:

Question. Why didn't the lightning responsed Hamilton shoot through the pit lane when he realised he was being impeeded. He could have then buggered up FA's qualy lap then. It's not as though he would have been light on fuel, and could have legitimately blamed a 'slow' lap on not having time to change to new tyres.

To answer my own question, I suppose the new wonderkid is only just learning the rules of the playground. And as it is, it all worked out quite well for him.

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?

Not that he had the space to get around Alonso, but if he had hypothetically done this he'd be the one penalised by the FIA for blocking/getting in the way of cars and receive the 5 place demotion akin to Fisichella and Yamamoto.