Hamilton getting too big headed
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From the start of the season I've never really thought badly of him except from this past weekend.
Is it just me or is he getting really big headed & over cocky, just the way he was acting and talking at Saturdays press conference made him look like a cocky brat.
As a rookie or world champ if you get an order over the radio to do something just do as your told, it pi##es me off that he thinks he's above Ron Dennis and the engineers in making these decisions.
Is it just me or is he getting really big headed & over cocky, just the way he was acting and talking at Saturdays press conference made him look like a cocky brat.
As a rookie or world champ if you get an order over the radio to do something just do as your told, it pi##es me off that he thinks he's above Ron Dennis and the engineers in making these decisions.
RossiT said:
From the start of the season I've never really thought badly of him except from this past weekend.
Is it just me or is he getting really big headed & over cocky, just the way he was acting and talking at Saturdays press conference made him look like a cocky brat.
As a rookie or world champ if you get an order over the radio to do something just do as your told, it pi##es me off that he thinks he's above Ron Dennis and the engineers in making these decisions.
What actions made him "big headed and cocky"? Is it just me or is he getting really big headed & over cocky, just the way he was acting and talking at Saturdays press conference made him look like a cocky brat.
As a rookie or world champ if you get an order over the radio to do something just do as your told, it pi##es me off that he thinks he's above Ron Dennis and the engineers in making these decisions.
I thought he explained what happened, why he did it and what the situation was quite well. He made a mistake, but said why.
The british press have conveniently gleaned over the fact that he ignored a direct order which started all this off and if he'd just done what he was told there'd have been no problem. From a racing driver's point of view, he did the right thing (not wanting to let Kimi past) but he should have done what he was told and dropped back if Kimi passed him...
It's a bit like a playground. Hamilton kicked Alonso's ball away so Alonso chinned him. Eye for an eye. Or something.
I wouldn't say he's come across as big headed though. Just a bit too eager to look out for himself. Which you could argue, isn't a bad thing - it just won't do him a lot of favours within his "very equal" team!
Muzzer said:
What actions made him "big headed and cocky"?
His "monkeys at the back of the grid" comment was one thing.Another was relating to this weekend's events: "In terms of speaking to the team, I spoke to everyone, I have told everyone the situation, apologised if they feel I have done something against them but this is the way it is. It is higher than them if you know what I mean.”
Maybe these are taken out of context and were meant very differently than they read, or maybe not.
And of course we can support someone who is British and successful, but we're not obliged to. Personally, I don't much care where someone is from - I'll support them if I think they deserve support, and I'll criticise them if I think they deserve criticism.
I mentioned these quotes already on another thread, so sorry for the repetition.
10 Pence Short said:
Here we go...
He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assasinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
So far I think it has been quite the opposite, because he is british everyone has looked at him with rose tinted glasses.He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assasinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
What he did was wrong, teams do not work if everyone goes around second guessing orders that they are given. Who ever gave the orders could see the situation and thought that it would be possible for a world class driver to let his team mate pass without letting the car behind him throught as well.
I also thought that he came across a little arrogant at the interview I saw on the hightlights. When asked how he thought todays actions affected his relationships with Ron and Alonso he replied with a smirk that he thought Ron would respect him more because he is now a man and made his own decisions. In my opinion it was a display of an underlying arrogance that he has kept hidden until this point. I may be wrong but I suspect in years to come we will see him develop into another of F1's walking egos.
SKR said:
10 Pence Short said:
Here we go...
He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assasinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
So far I think it has been quite the opposite, because he is british everyone has looked at him with rose tinted glasses.He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assasinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
do you expect? We should support one of our few world class sportsmen.All racing drivers have to be cocky, its part of the job. Deal with it.
I tell you what, if anyone had got in the way of my final lap of qualifying which should have seen me on pole - my language would have been ing ripe!
It's a shame that some of the views on this board don't reflect an understanding of the sheer knife edge commitment from the racers, a commitment from international companies and pr spin, the team's livlihoods, years and years of razor sharp honing.
The way Ron threw down his ear phones and grabbed Alfonso's trainer at the end of that qualifying did seem to indicate a fair head of steam brewing between the lads!
ing ripe!It's a shame that some of the views on this board don't reflect an understanding of the sheer knife edge commitment from the racers, a commitment from international companies and pr spin, the team's livlihoods, years and years of razor sharp honing.
The way Ron threw down his ear phones and grabbed Alfonso's trainer at the end of that qualifying did seem to indicate a fair head of steam brewing between the lads!
Gold said:
All racing drivers have to be cocky
In all seriousness - NOBODY has to be cocky.Confidence, yes. Supreme confidence, yes. But not cockiness. There is a significant difference but I worry that fewer people in the modern world appreciate that.
Looking back at previous world champions, would you say that their image was always one of cockiness?
Alonso always seemed like a quiet one (not the image we have today), Schumacher was more "teutonically aloof" and misunderstood than cocky. Hakkinen seemed far from cocky, in fact lost his marbles towards the end, Damon Hill always seemed like the nicest bloke you could ever meet. Jacques Villeneuve was maybe a bit cocky but part of that was his desperate desire to be different to the rest.
Gold said:
SKR said:
10 Pence Short said:
Here we go...
He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assassinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
So far I think it has been quite the opposite, because he is British everyone has looked at him with rose tinted glasses.He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assassinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
do you expect? We should support one of our few world class sportsmen.My point was that I felt it had been quite the opposite. I think generally the British public are very supportive of there sports stars, you only need look at the support Button and Coultard have received over the years to see that.
The majority of the British press seem to be blaming Alonso, but it you look at the situation objectively it was Hamiltons actions that were unprovoked not Alonso's and as Ron himself said "neither driver was without blame".
gold said:
All racing drivers have to be cocky, its part of the job. Deal with it.
I assume that you mean "professional" racing drivers, but either way I have to disagree with you. There is quite a fine line between being confident and "cocky". In fact I find that the opposite is often true, if you look back at some of the greatest F1 drivers you will find most were quite humble individuals, Clarke, Stewart, Hill, Hakkinien etc jamieboy said:
Muzzer said:
What actions made him "big headed and cocky"?
His "monkeys at the back of the grid" comment was one thing.Another was relating to this weekend's events: "In terms of speaking to the team, I spoke to everyone, I have told everyone the situation, apologised if they feel I have done something against them but this is the way it is. It is higher than them if you know what I mean.”
Maybe these are taken out of context and were meant very differently than they read, or maybe not.
The monkeys comment has been discussed at length, agreed it wasnt the best thing to say but having seen the video footage on ITV my personal take on it is that it was a bit of naivety rather than cockiness, its something a lot of 22 year old might call a mate in a jokey put-down type of way, rather than anything malicious.
The second comment Im assuming you're mainly referring to the "It is higher than them if you know what I mean", which I guess could be interpreted as "the mechanics wouldnt understand" if you really wanted to read it like that. Again having actually seen the press conference where he said that, Im pretty sure he meant to portray that its not the mechanics etc he had any gripe with, it was the decision made "higher than them" (ie top management - Ron etc) who made the call for him to defer to Alonso and let him past in Q3 that he had issues with.
I suppose the interesting bit for me is what Ron Dennis does next.
Despite LH's undoubted talent and speed, it would appear he has a problem with discipline. He's so single minded he's forgetting who actually pays for, and prepares the car.
You simply can't have a situation where he does his own thing, ignores direction from the team and talks to the boss the way he has.
RD needs to put him in his place for his own good as well as the teams.
Despite LH's undoubted talent and speed, it would appear he has a problem with discipline. He's so single minded he's forgetting who actually pays for, and prepares the car.
You simply can't have a situation where he does his own thing, ignores direction from the team and talks to the boss the way he has.
RD needs to put him in his place for his own good as well as the teams.
Both drivers have made a mistake this weekend, but the bigest issue was the way Alonso chose to take matters into his own hands.
Had Alonso kept his head and just gone about his job, none of us would be any the wiser, Hamilton would have got an earbashing from Ron and McLaren would have another 18 points in the bag.
Ron has two problem drivers, but they are diferent issues with the two of them. Ron also made a silly mistake in alowing Hamiliton to exit his pit garage first to queue up, he shouldnt have allowed that situation to have any oportunity to evolve, Alonso should have been released first. If his car wasnt ready due to the engineers on his car not warming it up soon enough, the running order should have changed for Q3.
I can understand why Lewis chose to ignore the orders to drop back behind Alonso under those specific circumstances, at the time Alonso wasnt on his gearbox waiting to go through, he was holding back and blocking Kimi to the point Kimi nearly ran into the back of him. If i was Lewis i would have done as he did in those conditions, i wouldnt be at all surprised if Alonso caused the situation that made it imposible for Lewis to obey team orders on purpose, why else would he be backing Kimi up rather than chasing after Lewis. It doesnt make sense.
Had Alonso kept his head and just gone about his job, none of us would be any the wiser, Hamilton would have got an earbashing from Ron and McLaren would have another 18 points in the bag.
Ron has two problem drivers, but they are diferent issues with the two of them. Ron also made a silly mistake in alowing Hamiliton to exit his pit garage first to queue up, he shouldnt have allowed that situation to have any oportunity to evolve, Alonso should have been released first. If his car wasnt ready due to the engineers on his car not warming it up soon enough, the running order should have changed for Q3.
I can understand why Lewis chose to ignore the orders to drop back behind Alonso under those specific circumstances, at the time Alonso wasnt on his gearbox waiting to go through, he was holding back and blocking Kimi to the point Kimi nearly ran into the back of him. If i was Lewis i would have done as he did in those conditions, i wouldnt be at all surprised if Alonso caused the situation that made it imposible for Lewis to obey team orders on purpose, why else would he be backing Kimi up rather than chasing after Lewis. It doesnt make sense.
10 Pence Short said:
Here we go...
He's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assasinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
Thats right TPSHe's British, he's doing well. Let's all character assasinate him to prove that he must a prize w$nker. We can't go liking successful people now, can we?
thats just what happened to Buttons'..........
he was talented and all that wasn't he?
Hmmm another SKR! :-)
LH - dont ever f**king do that to me again
Ron - don't ever f**king speak to me like that again
LH - F**king swivel you old C8NT !!!!!!!
Seems cocky to me ?
Loved the guy and watched him from karts to F3 to GP2 but have been put off by a few things in F1 *nothing to do with cocky*
1. Monaco - I have god and Senna on my shoulders? boocks.... etc
2. Monkeys at the back etc etc? not a nice thing to say! all the guys in f1 are top drivers.
3. Rap type shite etc with gang-star types hanging off his dad....
4. His MTV top ten was crap
5. He's knicked my tag!! the swine
The Senna thing pissed me off a little
That's why I love Kimi, just a pure driver with no bullshite too spout :-) a proper racer of old, still cocky tho!
BTW - racers are very cocky big headed peeps ;-), if you don't like watch that football crap ho ho
LH - dont ever f**king do that to me again
Ron - don't ever f**king speak to me like that again
LH - F**king swivel you old C8NT !!!!!!!
Seems cocky to me ?
Loved the guy and watched him from karts to F3 to GP2 but have been put off by a few things in F1 *nothing to do with cocky*
1. Monaco - I have god and Senna on my shoulders? bo
ocks.... etc2. Monkeys at the back etc etc? not a nice thing to say! all the guys in f1 are top drivers.
3. Rap type shite etc with gang-star types hanging off his dad....
4. His MTV top ten was crap
5. He's knicked my tag!! the swine
The Senna thing pissed me off a little
That's why I love Kimi, just a pure driver with no bullshite too spout :-) a proper racer of old, still cocky tho!
BTW - racers are very cocky big headed peeps ;-), if you don't like watch that football crap ho ho
Edited by SuperKartRacer on Monday 6th August 21:03
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