F1 Standard ECUs
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How long before this idea is scrapped?
Can't see it happening - with the current technology partners anyway...
http://www.motorsport-guide.com/news.php?id=d4d11d...
Can't see it happening - with the current technology partners anyway...
http://www.motorsport-guide.com/news.php?id=d4d11d...
Mclaren already supply ecus to most of the F1 grid. Only people using other stuff is Ferrari and Toyota afaik. Mclaren are supplying the hardware as they used to under the TAG name and microsoft are dealing with the software side. Dont think its going to make a big difference to F1 in itself just gives more control for the FIA I guess.
NightDriver said:
Mclaren already supply ecus to most of the F1 grid. Only people using other stuff is Ferrari and Toyota afaik. Mclaren are supplying the hardware as they used to under the TAG name and microsoft are dealing with the software side. Dont think its going to make a big difference to F1 in itself just gives more control for the FIA I guess.
Surely Honda and Super Aguri aren't using TAG ECU's are they?My OP was a bit tongue in cheek. I just think that maybe with the current Ferrari vs. McLaren legal stuff going on, the poison dwarf will do everything in his power not to put any business the McLaren Group's way.
I still think there could be a U-turn on it however. It's not as though rules haven't suddenly changed before in F1 after all...
fastfreddy said:
NightDriver said:
Mclaren already supply ecus to most of the F1 grid. Only people using other stuff is Ferrari and Toyota afaik. Mclaren are supplying the hardware as they used to under the TAG name and microsoft are dealing with the software side. Dont think its going to make a big difference to F1 in itself just gives more control for the FIA I guess.
Surely Honda and Super Aguri aren't using TAG ECU's are they?My OP was a bit tongue in cheek. I just think that maybe with the current Ferrari vs. McLaren legal stuff going on, the poison dwarf will do everything in his power not to put any business the McLaren Group's way.
I still think there could be a U-turn on it however. It's not as though rules haven't suddenly changed before in F1 after all...
taffyracer said:
It is a good thing but I wished they's also standardise the fuel and have a limit on the amount of downforce, then and only then will driving genius shine through and allow those in less well funded teams to compete on a more level playing field instead of being a parade at the back
The well funded and organised teams will always do better. The tighter the rules are restricted the more work it becomes to exploit them and gain an advantage which favours those with more resource.Even if rules are formulated which close the performance differentials right up the well funded teams will still do better. You only have to watch A1GP where the cars are identical but the racing (especially in the first season) was dominated by a couple of teams who just got the setup of the cars perfect.
I just realised that microsoft are involved, no wonder there are rumblings of discontent, can you imagine the error reports?
some one else will have to do the windows boxes for this!
"Throttle Wide Open.EXE is not responding "
"Idle request "has performed an illegal operation and windows will close it"
etc etc
some one else will have to do the windows boxes for this!
"Throttle Wide Open.EXE is not responding "
"Idle request "has performed an illegal operation and windows will close it"
etc etc
AlexS said:
taffyracer said:
It is a good thing but I wished they's also standardise the fuel and have a limit on the amount of downforce, then and only then will driving genius shine through and allow those in less well funded teams to compete on a more level playing field instead of being a parade at the back
The well funded and organised teams will always do better. The tighter the rules are restricted the more work it becomes to exploit them and gain an advantage which favours those with more resource.Even if rules are formulated which close the performance differentials right up the well funded teams will still do better. You only have to watch A1GP where the cars are identical but the racing (especially in the first season) was dominated by a couple of teams who just got the setup of the cars perfect.
usual bull I see...
ECU is an ECU, assuming that it's got the capabilites the engines requires, what's the story?
they are all V8 engines, they all rev to 19K, they are all 4 stroke with cams etc.
just makes me laugh, if Ferarri did not want a TAG ECU then they should have put their own bid in to win the FIA contract...
either way, just because they all have the same ECU, how is that going to favour anybody? it's not like they will be sending back the ECU's to McLaren with all the engine and map data is it?
ECU is an ECU, assuming that it's got the capabilites the engines requires, what's the story?
they are all V8 engines, they all rev to 19K, they are all 4 stroke with cams etc.
just makes me laugh, if Ferarri did not want a TAG ECU then they should have put their own bid in to win the FIA contract...
either way, just because they all have the same ECU, how is that going to favour anybody? it's not like they will be sending back the ECU's to McLaren with all the engine and map data is it?
Scuffers said:
usual bull I see...
ECU is an ECU, assuming that it's got the capabilites the engines requires, what's the story?
they are all V8 engines, they all rev to 19K, they are all 4 stroke with cams etc.
just makes me laugh, if Ferarri did not want a TAG ECU then they should have put their own bid in to win the FIA contract...
either way, just because they all have the same ECU, how is that going to favour anybody? it's not like they will be sending back the ECU's to McLaren with all the engine and map data is it?
Depends if the ECU allows control of the throttle in the way required by the current engine design. IIRC when teams switched to using electronic throttles engines were designed that would actually have been undriveable if they tried to attach a mechanical throttle to them.ECU is an ECU, assuming that it's got the capabilites the engines requires, what's the story?
they are all V8 engines, they all rev to 19K, they are all 4 stroke with cams etc.
just makes me laugh, if Ferarri did not want a TAG ECU then they should have put their own bid in to win the FIA contract...
either way, just because they all have the same ECU, how is that going to favour anybody? it's not like they will be sending back the ECU's to McLaren with all the engine and map data is it?
AlexS said:
Depends if the ECU allows control of the throttle in the way required by the current engine design. IIRC when teams switched to using electronic throttles engines were designed that would actually have been undriveable if they tried to attach a mechanical throttle to them.
you have to assume that whatever elecromechanical drive is required for the throttle (and I would put money on it being a PWM driven system) would have been included in the specifcations for the std ECU.asside this, FIA regs state that the relationship between the pedal and the physical throttle must be 'fixed' as in not subjected to any outside influence.
skinny said:
BMW def don't use any mclaren ECU's - they have (or had!) a team of about 60 guys developing their engine systems
Might not run the full ecu's but they do run some MES products 
.Scuffers - Ferrari did bid, but under Magnetti Marrelli. Unfortunately as they only supply ferrari at the moment then no one was interested.
taffyracer said:
It is a good thing but I wished they's also standardise the fuel and have a limit on the amount of downforce, then and only then will driving genius shine through and allow those in less well funded teams to compete on a more level playing field instead of being a parade at the back
Why would you want to standardise the fuel?Do you think it's unaffordable or that a good fuel could compensate for a second-rate driver?
Remember the Tag ECU's are totally programable so you can have a totally custom (and secret) arrangement for fuel, ignition intensity, timing etc and etc. My understanding is the the FIA wide ECU (built by Tag) all these setting will be static or you would only have a few modes - dry - wet - monaco.
I have to sort of cringe to see the FIA eliminating V12's and mandating V10s and finally V8s when the real problem is down force and mechanical grip.
A lot of money went into air tunnels and V10 research (v12 in toyotas case) though.
I have to sort of cringe to see the FIA eliminating V12's and mandating V10s and finally V8s when the real problem is down force and mechanical grip.
A lot of money went into air tunnels and V10 research (v12 in toyotas case) though.
Edited by PiB on Saturday 18th August 19:25
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