BTCC @ Brands (spoilers possible)

[snotrag]

My Bad. Sorry Adam...

[Dr JonboyG]

SKR said:

houlbt said:

Tom Chilton just isn't good enough in my opinion... plus I don't think that interview/bio think he did was much cop - came across poorly I thought.

Chilton said;

" My parents brought me up to believe that it is not all about winning but the taking part that counts, but in motorsport it is all about winning, second place is the first of the losers"

Chilton said 2 mins later;

" Racing in touring cars is not all about winning "

I have always thought he was a bit of a cock, a bit to much to soon. Although I do enjoy the pit lane pantomime that touring cars has become.

He's a complete prick. I remember at the beginning of the season how he went on and on about how he was going to destroy Plato and win the championship because he's such hot shit and Plato can't drive. Yeah, sure Tom. That's why he's leading the championship and battling with your team mate, and you've got all points.

Oh, and I'm so pleased tt Neal got taken out in race 1. What a cock.

[Scooby_snax]

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So am I, he is such an arrogant sod and a dirty driver

[EDLT]

Scooby_snax said:

So am I, he is such an arrogant sod and a dirty driver

That goes for most of the works drivers too.

[kleonard]

Have to say chilton has been crap all year.. best of equipment and feck all results..his team mate has twice his points.. crap crap..!!he went better for arena in a private honda...thought G Smith drove very well first time out and Adam Jones was very good also.. Most unlucky driver of the day was Mike Jordan who had the 3rd race in the bag.. great viewing on tv all weekend..!!

[jellison]

So Adam Jones taking over from the vastly over rated Chilton next year then - that is the rumour I am starting.

[snotrag]

Has Mike Jordan ever one a race?


(He lookss like my old chemistry teacher aswell.)

[jellison]

snotrag said:

Has Mike Jordan ever one a race?


(He lookss like my old chemistry teacher aswell.)

1 last year.

[snotrag]

He must have been pretty pissed with Giovanardi, but at least he had the manners to say sorry. Great save by both of them, and I guess on a more normal sized circuit than Brands they wouldnt have lost so many places. No room for error there.

(It must be early, as I spelt 'won' wrong!)

[freedman]

http://www.teameurotech.co.uk/news.html?bM=8&b...

So Giovanardi was fined and had his licence endorsed for the move on Jordan

[jellison]

"incandescent" been there few times

[NightDriver]

jellison said:

So Adam Jones taking over from the vastly over rated Chilton next year then - that is the rumour I am starting.

Only if Adam can find some serious cash from somewhere. Chilton may be in a factory car but he's still paying to be in it...

[stu harris]

NightDriver said:

jellison said:

So Adam Jones taking over from the vastly over rated Chilton next year then - that is the rumour I am starting.

Only if Adam can find some serious cash from somewhere. Chilton may be in a factory car but he's still paying to be in it...

Tom Chilton does not pay for his drive. He's a full works driver.

Stu

[jellison]

NightDriver said:

stu harris said:

Tom Chilton does not pay for his drive. He's a full works driver.

Stu

Ok

Edited by NightDriver on Tuesday 21st August 09:57

Ah yes STU - but Daddy will have gotten him thus far - junior rank before he showed enough form to be taken on as a works driver - but done sod all since. Like James Thompson 10-15 years back only he had /has loads of Talent

[Fallen Angel]

kevin ritson said:

Nic Jones said:

The Porsche cup was good, Maxi Jazz obviously got bored being last and threw it at the scenery on Paddock Hill causing yet another safety car to come out, but they sound lovely!

Was watching from one of the boxes - on the warm up lap I called a sweepstake on which lap Maxi would bin it (don't think I've ever seen him complete a race at Brands, I remember a Fiesta race where he rolled at Paddock!). 2 laps in and whilst watching the sharp end of the field I hear a mate saying "that's a rubbish line into Paddock", next thing he's thrown it into the gravel. From what I hear he was almost on the inside of the track when he turned in

Me too... but he was out there enjoying himself and did at least get out of the pits this time

James Sutton I reckon is the one to watch. I was chatting to him in between races and he is such a nice level-headed guy. Hope he stays that way as he has a lot to offer.

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Hodgetts I think was a tad embarrassed to get the Clios red carded until end of day - more than a rush of blood to the head me thinks

[NightDriver]

Agrh, what happened to my post....


I'm sure for VXR PR he's a factory driver but we all know how motorsport works. Without money you dont get anywhere so at sme point I'm sure daddy sweetened the deal

Edited by NightDriver on Tuesday 21st August 10:08

[stu harris]

NightDriver said:

Agrh, what happened to my post....


I'm sure for VXR PR he's a factory driver but we all know how motorsport works. Without money you dont get anywhere so at sme point I'm sure daddy sweetened the deal

Edited by NightDriver on Tuesday 21st August 10:08

I agree his dad has 'supported' him to get through to a works drive ( and i'm unsure of his financial deal in Zytek LMP this year) but for Vauxhall we pay him not him paying us.

I'd also agree that nowadays you do have to have deep pockets to go racing unless you're fortunate enough to be spotted/sponsored. I suspect there are fewer paid drivers in UK motorsport than 10years ago.
Stu

[rubystone]

FourWheelDrift said:

MonkeyHanger said:

runway78 said:

I remeber watching early 90's touring cars where "clean" racing was the order of the day and with no sign of a wheel of fortune to decide the grid (really!) Okay there was contact but it was not the norm and was looked down upon. Now hitting someone out of the way is ok.
BTCC is awful now, my pennies worth!

I think you might want to remove those rose-tinted specs.

The likes of John Cleland, Steve Soper, Tim Harvey and co were capable of exactly the same sort of games that everyone whinges about today.

Forget about them nudging each other, they didn't do it that often and besides that was the 2litre formula. If you go back to the 1980's in the days of the Sierra RS500's in class A, the BMW M3's in Class B and the Vauxhall Astras in Class C, also a class D. That is when the racing was tight and controlled.

Rouse, Brodie, Gravett, Bristow, Goode, Percy, Bristow, Hodgetts, Soper, Newman, Walker, Harvey, Sytner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPvDlVK0zA

I've been watching touring cars regularly since 1989. At least 4 of the drivers named above were past masters at "rubbin" and one of them in particular was known for his ruthlessness,and not just in touring cars either.

I personally think that what happens nowadays is part and parcel of the (success of the) equalisation formula, but also the drivers in the top teams know that they are virtually certain to avoid censure by the stewards.

Ironically, if the cars were more fragile, the drivers would think twice about the consequences of contact. In DTM,contact more often than not leads to aero compromise.

Interestingly, a friend of mine runs a current BTCC entrant who also owns a 1998 vintage Honda Accord touring car. behind the "bumper" lies a sturdy chunk of steel...at least they disguised it back then - Vauxhall's current Vectra touring car sports some "overriders" that bear no resemblance to those on the production car - I'd like to bet they don't "give" in an impact...

As to Tom Chilton, his father is well-off, to say the least....what I'd like to know is whether he pays for his VX drive. It made me laugh when he accused Plato of "running out of talent"...Those in the know reckon that Max shows more promise than Tom ever did.

[houlbt]

said:

Chilton said;

" My parents brought me up to believe that it is not all about winning but the taking part that counts, but in motorsport it is all about winning, second place is the first of the losers"

Chilton said 2 mins later;

" Racing in touring cars is not all about winning "

I have always thought he was a bit of a cock, a bit to much to soon. Although I do enjoy the pit lane pantomime that touring cars has become.

Yes... it was this commentary which made me smile, discussing how when you grow up you are taguht "it's not about winning" but once you get in a race car it is "all about winning". Now in isolation that was fair comment but as the interview prgressed I think he realised he had made that (imho) valid point but then figured it didn't fit with the fact he can't win any races. So 2 mins later he is back tracking and saying how it isn't about winning...

I'm not privy to the details of his current seat with Vauxhall but I can't imagine he has been a good investment. He comes across all wrong and just isn't producing the results to enable you to look beyond the image thing.
I would also point out that for a 'professional' driver who discussed his training regime in his interview etc etc that he might have been in better physical shape (reference the clip of him jumping in the swimming pool)
Seems his results have deteriorated as the season has progressed. Anyway think he is running out of time to demonstrate some better prowess /consistency behind the wheel if he wants to salvage a career in motorsport.


That aside... BTCC seems to be highly entertaining of late and I hope the series goes from strength to strength.

Edited by houlbt on Tuesday 21st August 13:20

[jellison]

I think you are saying he is a long way from buff - indeed