THE OFFICIAL TURKISH GP THREAD WITH SPOILERS

[LaSarthe&Back]

Another classic line from the cock:

JA: "Hamilton's tyre's blown out, and he's got over a mile to go to the pits!!"

Immediately cut to shot of him entering the pit lane

JA: "Oh and he's made it."

Blimey James, if only he could cover miles that quick, he'd have the championship made!!

[CommanderJameson]

andy_quantum said:

and I still stand by that, good driver, absolute gobshite

Although, to be fair, this trait isn't exactly rare amongst F1 drivers.

[andy_quantum]

CommanderJameson said:

andy_quantum said:

and I still stand by that, good driver, absolute gobshite

Although, to be fair, this isn't exactly a rare trait amongst F1 drivers.

I dont dispute that either. Hamilton just seems to grate more than most though, it could be over exposure and the rest of them are as bad, or it could be him. I havent decided yet

[CommanderJameson]

andy_quantum said:

CommanderJameson said:

andy_quantum said:

and I still stand by that, good driver, absolute gobshite

Although, to be fair, this isn't exactly a rare trait amongst F1 drivers.

I dont dispute that either. Hamilton just seems to grate more than most though, it could be over exposure and the rest of them are as bad, or it could be him. I havent decided yet

Probably the exposure. I can't think of another driver who gets as much face time on ITV's F1 coverage as him, so any gobshitiness is going to be much more obvious.

Alonso seems well-capable of spouting all sorts of boocks when the mood takes him.

[Racefan_uk]

I watched the race build up and after seeing the footage of Hamilton acting like a twelve year old in the press conference after one of the previous GP's (Where he used his middle finger to scratch his face and grinned like an inane idiot) he's gone a long way down in my estimation.

If I were Ron Dennis right now, I'd be having words along the lines of 'I've got you this far, I can stop the dream at any point I wish so get your immature act together'?


Or am I just being too boring on this type of thing? Maybe he's spent too many of his former years being a robot and it's going to start coming undone now he's finally got to the top level?

[peterh2]

Racefan_uk said:

If I were Ron Dennis right now, I'd be having words along the lines of 'I've got you this far, I can stop the dream at any point I wish so get your immature act together'?

I think its past that point where Hamilton needs Ron and its more a case of Ron needing Hamilton now. Hamilton is now worth BIG sponsorship money. Ron would be stupid to even think about dropping him and Hamilton knows that. The money he will bring in through sponsorship alone will help Mclaren remain a front running team.

[madazrx7]

BalhamLotus said:

LocoBlade said:

Anyone elses Sky ITV coverage about 45s behind terrestrial TV? The live timing seemed to be a bit ahead but I only really noticed because live timing reported Webber in the pit ages before we saw it on screen.

It's not as much as 45 secs here in London, more like 3-4.

Have noticed with Sky it depends where you live, I can be on the phone to my parents in Wiltshire while watching football, and they will often see a goal while I'm just seeing the shot.

Gee I feel sorry for you in England, live timing a few seconds ahead
Our delayed telecast was programmed for 10.30PM till 1AM (IIRC). I set my recorder to run beyond that time as I was out, the GP started an hour into the recording and missed the last 20 odd laps!

[Conian]

You can measure the dullness of a race by the amount of posts on here... only 6 pages?

Good result for Massa, keep it up!

[woof]

The odd glimpses of Hamilton saying something that really doesn't show him in the best light is just his inexperience of handling the press and he's still very, very young - he's doing a great job on the track, so give him a bit of slack, if he's not always coming over as the jolly nice brit, who's doesnt' say a bad word about anyone.

In real life he's a top guy - bloody confident and incredibly focused, but a nice guy

andy_quantum said:

69elan+2 said:

AndrewW-G said:

after yet more stupid comments from hamilton ...

dont flame me - I LOVE to see a brit doing so fantastically well at last...but... the more I see Hamilton acting and speaking I can't help but start feeling he is showing himself up as a bit of a tool.

I'm sure (hope) this will pass.

I'm not alone in thinking that am I?

Edited by 69elan+2 on Sunday 26th August 20:52

No...from the USA thread

andy_quantum said:

Hamilton comes across as over confident, bit of a cocky gobshte IMO

No doubt on his driving ability at all

and I still stand by that, good driver, absolute gobshite

[Marki]

skinny said:

i didn't have any sounds when i watched it but i saw on the screen a few times in car shots of the renaults with 'pit radio' being shown at the bottom. am i to assume that yet again we have been treated with the renault race engineers telling their drivers to keep pushing?

as i understand it these transmissions are delayed and someone screens them for language. so they know what they're about to transmit to tv - do they really need to let that sh*t through?

I find it hard to belive the amount of bollax that the drivers have to listen to on the radios , who are the idiots who are telling them to "keep pushing"i mean FFS i belive they know that

[sosidge]

Renault just make up crap for the team radio broadcasts - they do it as part of their marketing campaign, trying to give the impression that they are an open team and that asking drivers to speed up actually makes a difference. Best Renault radio transmission though was when Fisi called the car a naughty word a few seasons ago!

I wish they would stop the broadcasts actually, nothing of any importance is ever said.

LH had a bit of luck again, I would guess that the tyre failure was due to excessive loading, he does push the car harder than most, at almost any other track he would have been beached in the gravel at that corner, or if not he would have taken the front wing clean off. Of course, Lewis doesn't get beached in the gravel anyway, he gets a lift!

Not a very interesting GP. FA's poor start showed again how bad the overtaking situation is, and this on a track that is allegedly good for overtaking with 2 or three good opportunities per lap.

Credit to Button for actually making a few passes and getting up the order.

All I can say about the result is that it is good for the championship, gap from 1st to 4th is now only 15 points, FA is closer to LH, Ferrari now closer to FA, 5 races to go so still everything to play for. Fingers crossed Ferrari can keep the car reliable and keep the pressure up on McLaren.

[Heebeegeetee]

woof said:

the cock started earlier by talking about Mclaren might be dropping down the championship table if they don't win the appeal - but of course Mclaren will only gain points coz the appeal is to get the points awarded back from Budapest !

No, they be awarded with a bigger punishment, as has been done in the past.

[Conian]

woof said:

.... Hamilton .... and he's still very, very young

He's 22! If a 22 year old lad in a factory said some of the stuff LH has said he'd be in the office getting warnings..... 22 is not young..... he can smoke/shag/vote/drink/drive/fly planes/drive busses. And despite being 22, he's been in the racing game for a long old time now. Being 22 is not an excuse, there are 16 year old apprentices who get by without saying too much daft stuff.

[Heebeegeetee]

Conian said:

woof said:

.... Hamilton .... and he's still very, very young

He's 22! If a 22 year old lad in a factory said some of the stuff LH has said he'd be in the office getting warnings..... 22 is not young..... he can smoke/shag/vote/drink/drive/fly planes/drive busses. And despite being 22, he's been in the racing game for a long old time now. Being 22 is not an excuse, there are 16 year old apprentices who get by without saying too much daft stuff.

22 is a very young age for living the life that he is now. He might have been in in the game a long time, but his life has changed immeasurably this year.

I was watching the 2 cocks, Ryder and Blundell, who are a million times worse than James Allen, and whilst not listening to a word they were saying, on the grounds that they've never said one single word of interest ever, and noticed Lewises brother in the background, and we were commenting on how much he must be enjoying life at the moment, and we imagined that he's probably very popular in the F1 paddock - I just mention this as a measure of how the much the life of the Hamilton family must have changed. The media interest is possibly unprecedented for a young driver.

And I don't have any problems with what Lewis has said. Like I said in that other thread, you guys can't make your minds up. You moan at the pc blandness of the modern driver, and then moan like hell the very instant one of them says anything other than pc blandness.

It must be something in the water.

[tomTVR]

sosidge said:

I wish they would stop the broadcasts actually, nothing of any importance is ever said.

I agree - its even more annoying that the commentators drop everything to listen and are compelled to make a comment however insignificant it is.

[classiccooper]

I wonder how much of this LH bashing is down to envy.

[rubystone]

andy_quantum said:

69elan+2 said:

AndrewW-G said:

after yet more stupid comments from hamilton ...

dont flame me - I LOVE to see a brit doing so fantastically well at last...but... the more I see Hamilton acting and speaking I can't help but start feeling he is showing himself up as a bit of a tool.

I'm sure (hope) this will pass.

I'm not alone in thinking that am I?

Edited by 69elan+2 on Sunday 26th August 20:52

No...from the USA thread

andy_quantum said:

Hamilton comes across as over confident, bit of a cocky gobshte IMO

No doubt on his driving ability at all

and I still stand by that, good driver, absolute gobshite

Why is he a gobshite? Can you give us some examples? I can think of only one example of where he might have been a bit more circumspect with his comments - something like his second or 3rd GP - no doubt high on his success, he talked about the "monkeys at the back of the grid".

People often mistake supreme self confidence for arrogance, witness Michael Schumacher - by all accounts (OK, by accounts from journos who have been close to him then) he isn't arrogant at all....do I believe this?...not sure to be honest, but I don't think MS is a "gobshite", just as I don't believe that LH is one either. I think that Albers and Speed might be erring towards arogant though and Klien always struck me as having too high an opinion of his abilities.

[rubystone]

peterh2 said:

Racefan_uk said:

If I were Ron Dennis right now, I'd be having words along the lines of 'I've got you this far, I can stop the dream at any point I wish so get your immature act together'?

I think its past that point where Hamilton needs Ron and its more a case of Ron needing Hamilton now. Hamilton is now worth BIG sponsorship money. Ron would be stupid to even think about dropping him and Hamilton knows that. The money he will bring in through sponsorship alone will help Mclaren remain a front running team.

Nope. Ron's decision will not be based on what sponsorship the driver will or will not bring to the team. He is the final arbiter on who drives for the team and who dosen't. Mercedes agreed to that when buying into the team.

Given the fact that Lisa Dennis has appeared at (most of) the races this year,I have a feelnig this may even be the last season RD attends the races. Given the fact that his protegee is wiping the floor,I'd say that Hamilton will stay with Mclaren for next year and Alonso may retire, move to a "Spanish" team, return to Renault or take Toyota's millions.

[rubystone]

Heebeegeetee said:

I was watching the 2 cocks, Ryder and Blundell, who are a million times worse than James Allen, and whilst not listening to a word they were saying, on the grounds that they've never said one single word of interest ever, and noticed Lewises brother in the background, and we were commenting on how much he must be enjoying life at the moment, and we imagined that he's probably very popular in the F1 paddock - I just mention this as a measure of how the much the life of the Hamilton family must have changed. The media interest is possibly unprecedented for a young driver.

And I don't have any problems with what Lewis has said. Like I said in that other thread, you guys can't make your minds up. You moan at the pc blandness of the modern driver, and then moan like hell the very instant one of them says anything other than pc blandness.

It must be something in the water.

I agree with your sentiments FWIW. Couple of things - firstly, allegedly, ITV pay Rider £500k a year to "anchor". I thought he might add value, after all, he is a keen motorpsort enthusiast, but he adds zich. As you say, his banal discussions with PC Blundell are useless.

Re Hamilton's brother - I did wonder whether that was him, but I've noticed the black guy in full McLaren overalls at the back of the pits before; I think he may actualy be a mechanic/engineer. When we see Hamilton's brother, he is never in overalls.

[disco1]

Munter said:

Watched the race in the sports Cafe in London. The majority there cheered when Lewis's tyre deflated. Me and 2 American guys were about the only people to go "Oh bugger".

Then the clever staff put music on just as Lewis started to be interviewed. What did he say? Was it just, "well that was disappointing, still see you at the next race"

I'm not famed for my generalisation but....

Thats because the English are a bunch of sun reading T*&^% who love to knock down others and revel in other peoples misery rather than turning their bland existence into something worthwhile.

C'mon lewis, change your surname to Jones or Davies, you're welcome on this side of the bridge.