Discussion
Gary simms who goes under focussed on here.
He's been at the last few rounds of the challenge and takes some top pics. I think he's becomming the series pro snapper.
Price issues may be that for sometime we had had some very good amatuer snappers who put out some very good shots for free, just to help promo the series.
thats all.
Gary (with a meadia pass can get closer to the action and has a HUGE lens and many £000s of kit too.
andy89
Personally I think the price is very reasonable. The main problem is that the skill of a pro is sometimes not appreciated by the viewer. Gary (Focused) is a very good mate of mine (his stickers can be seen on my T350) and I know how many hours he spends sorting and working on the shots to get them just right. He's got cameras costing GW's season racing budget to boot.
A pro photograph is a terrific gift for sponsors and a valuable addition to your racing website if you have one. As you would expect all pro material is copyrighted and cannot be used without permission. I think we're really lucky to have such a good pro photographer following the series. It takes a great deal of 'free time' and incurs cost to get to the meetings. I very much doubt that a topic asking if £17.50 is too much for a photo when we all spend thousands racing is constructive or encouraging.
Ceejay
A pro photograph is a terrific gift for sponsors and a valuable addition to your racing website if you have one. As you would expect all pro material is copyrighted and cannot be used without permission. I think we're really lucky to have such a good pro photographer following the series. It takes a great deal of 'free time' and incurs cost to get to the meetings. I very much doubt that a topic asking if £17.50 is too much for a photo when we all spend thousands racing is constructive or encouraging.
Ceejay
I sell my 12 x 8's for £5 a time, with a CD of a team with contact sheets for £75.
Sold everything I brought with me to Croft today, plus additional order on top, and booked in for end of season work with a couple of teams to do a huge season montage.
£17.50 is great if you can get it.
LB
Sold everything I brought with me to Croft today, plus additional order on top, and booked in for end of season work with a couple of teams to do a huge season montage.
£17.50 is great if you can get it.
LB
Luca Brazzi said:
I sell my 12 x 8's for £5 a time, with a CD of a team with contact sheets for £75.
Sold everything I brought with me to Croft today, plus additional order on top, and booked in for end of season work with a couple of teams to do a huge season montage.
£17.50 is great if you can get it.
LB
So how much would you charge for say seven x 10 meg photoshopped images on CD then Steve? I paid £70.00 for seven and feel that represents damn good value.Sold everything I brought with me to Croft today, plus additional order on top, and booked in for end of season work with a couple of teams to do a huge season montage.
£17.50 is great if you can get it.
LB
Would you charge something similar for the same?
Cheers - Howard
...and how long is your lens? Or is that too personal a question?
wedgeman said:
Luca Brazzi said:
I sell my 12 x 8's for £5 a time, with a CD of a team with contact sheets for £75.
Sold everything I brought with me to Croft today, plus additional order on top, and booked in for end of season work with a couple of teams to do a huge season montage.
£17.50 is great if you can get it.
LB
So how much would you charge for say seven x 10 meg photoshopped images on CD then Steve? I paid £70.00 for seven and feel that represents damn good value.Sold everything I brought with me to Croft today, plus additional order on top, and booked in for end of season work with a couple of teams to do a huge season montage.
£17.50 is great if you can get it.
LB
Would you charge something similar for the same?
Cheers - Howard
...and how long is your lens? Or is that too personal a question?
300mm 2.8 + 1.4 converter on a 1DIII if that helps.
I had a good long chat with gary (gks) simms at brands and now have a much better understanding fo what it takes to get very good race action photographs .. the effort that a professional photographer goes to over even a very gifted amateur is there to see in gary's pictures ..
I suspect it's not in the interests of the series to have competing professional photographers, plus it's a real kick in the teeth for gary who's followed the racing and is enthusiastic about the series and TVRs in general.
It also came to light during the conversation that (apparently) one of the challenge teams has been using his copyrighted pics without permission, I'm sure we can all agree that such behaviour is unacceptable.
I can vouch for the top-quality of gary's photographs and would urge anybody considering professional quality pics of their cars to contact him direct, he's a great bloke and it would be a great reward for him to have his work recognised and bought and not (effectively) stolen ..
I suspect it's not in the interests of the series to have competing professional photographers, plus it's a real kick in the teeth for gary who's followed the racing and is enthusiastic about the series and TVRs in general.
It also came to light during the conversation that (apparently) one of the challenge teams has been using his copyrighted pics without permission, I'm sure we can all agree that such behaviour is unacceptable.
I can vouch for the top-quality of gary's photographs and would urge anybody considering professional quality pics of their cars to contact him direct, he's a great bloke and it would be a great reward for him to have his work recognised and bought and not (effectively) stolen ..
trackcar said:
I suspect it's not in the interests of the series to have competing professional photographers, plus it's a real kick in the teeth for gary who's followed the racing and is enthusiastic about the series and TVRs in general.
Can you explain why its not in anyone's interest to have competing professionals taking photographs? a) you the customer get more photographs to choose from, from alternative places on the circuit (1 person cannot be in 2 places at once)
b) monopolies are never good for a 'customer'
c) price will never be the key determining factor in this business, quality of product will always come first...THEN price comes into the equation.
I've covered every British GT race this season, including their support races and a number of FIA GT races. Yesterday for example, there were about 25-30 photographers shooting and presumably selling their work. How is this not in the interests of the series?
Sorry but I'm a little confused. Have I misunderstood your comment?
LB .. I was aiming to protect the interest of the pro who has already been covering the series, and very well too .. the first incling of money making and there's lots jumping on the bandwagon? or is that just my cynicism?. i just like to see the interest protected of those who have been good enough to cover the series so far (aplogies if you've been at most rounds so far, I haven't seen any of your pics from them so apologies if I've missed your prsence at the rounds so far).
We already also have the great pics from george carter of couse who is both driver and photographer and has covered probably more rounds as an amateur photographer along with Mick (surname?) and their pics are always well received and great to see. But I wouldn't want to see the income of the true pro already involved (gary) diluted . I hope that makes my position clearer.
edited to add : there's nothing stopping you from going to the rounds and selling your pics of course .. i wasn't tryin to suggest that you shouldn't attend and take pics far from it .. the more exposure the series gets the better and good pics will help that
and i look forward to seing you at all the rounds next season
We already also have the great pics from george carter of couse who is both driver and photographer and has covered probably more rounds as an amateur photographer along with Mick (surname?) and their pics are always well received and great to see. But I wouldn't want to see the income of the true pro already involved (gary) diluted . I hope that makes my position clearer.
edited to add : there's nothing stopping you from going to the rounds and selling your pics of course .. i wasn't tryin to suggest that you shouldn't attend and take pics far from it .. the more exposure the series gets the better and good pics will help that
and i look forward to seing you at all the rounds next season Edited by trackcar on Monday 10th September 12:04
LB...I've seen lots of your work from various races i've been in and would have to say that your pics are very good. I would also say however, that last year in the EERC V8 Supercars, I e mailed you to request purchase of some of the pics you took of my car at the Snetterton round but I never had a response from you and so I gave up.
Trackcar, I also agree that we have a number of very enthusiastic photographers covering our Series and some who have been kind enough to allow one or two to be used without cost. I don't see having further coverage a problem personally. It is however poor form if people are using their pics on their website without their authorisation. Presumably something has been said?
Trackcar, I also agree that we have a number of very enthusiastic photographers covering our Series and some who have been kind enough to allow one or two to be used without cost. I don't see having further coverage a problem personally. It is however poor form if people are using their pics on their website without their authorisation. Presumably something has been said?
With regard to anyone, be it individual or team, using a photograph in a way not previously agreed with the copyright holder is totally unacceptable.
If they do, they should be named and shamed, and pointed out to photographers at future race meetings, to ensure that nobody wastes their time and effort photographing them. That is a cheap yet effective way to ensure they cannot use photos, are they are no longer being photographed.
Its taken me most of this year to carve out a market for myself with the race teams in the BGT, and I've worked very hard to do so, and investing about 10k in kit. There are so many photographers there (which is great), that I had to find my own way, and find a way to sell, giving the customers exactly what they wanted. Its now so busy that I'm spending a huge amount of 'my' time editing, polishing, printed etc that I've simply not the time to update my website with the best photos. Accordingly therefore, if some chump thinks its ok to use my work in a way not previously agreed with me personally, I am not best pleased.
Glynsport - Steve G - Sincere apologies for not getting back to you on your previous request. I can only recall going to Snetterton for the first time this year, for the BGT round. I was at Silverstone for the FIA GT when I photographed you in the Tuscans, and I believe sent you through the best ones. Would you remind me exactly what you wanted and I'll try to get it sorted asap, and if its something I can do in-house (ie. in my own house), it'll be a freebie. Once again, my apologies.
As for prices etc, I guess it comes down to what the market demands. When I started in BGT, the other photographers and teams said the images would go for £5 per A4, and a deal for a CD, so that's what I went for. My USP was including a contact sheet with the CD plus a few other things which the teams really like.
For someone who has invested a significant amount of time in getting to all the race meetings, getting to know the teams, and can always be relied by the teams to showcase some great images, then yes they deserve to be recognised, and the likelihood is that the relationship they have created will often lead to more chance of firm sales and therefore less risk.
However, there is no exclusivity in being a photographer at a race meeting, so we all have to do our best to get great shots that people want to buy, otherwise we fail - very simple.
LASTLY - to re-iterate...don't use photographs in a manner you have not agreed beforehand with the photographer. It will come back to bite you, big time.
LB
(off to edit my 5000 pics from Croft)
If they do, they should be named and shamed, and pointed out to photographers at future race meetings, to ensure that nobody wastes their time and effort photographing them. That is a cheap yet effective way to ensure they cannot use photos, are they are no longer being photographed.
Its taken me most of this year to carve out a market for myself with the race teams in the BGT, and I've worked very hard to do so, and investing about 10k in kit. There are so many photographers there (which is great), that I had to find my own way, and find a way to sell, giving the customers exactly what they wanted. Its now so busy that I'm spending a huge amount of 'my' time editing, polishing, printed etc that I've simply not the time to update my website with the best photos. Accordingly therefore, if some chump thinks its ok to use my work in a way not previously agreed with me personally, I am not best pleased.
Glynsport - Steve G - Sincere apologies for not getting back to you on your previous request. I can only recall going to Snetterton for the first time this year, for the BGT round. I was at Silverstone for the FIA GT when I photographed you in the Tuscans, and I believe sent you through the best ones. Would you remind me exactly what you wanted and I'll try to get it sorted asap, and if its something I can do in-house (ie. in my own house
), it'll be a freebie. Once again, my apologies.As for prices etc, I guess it comes down to what the market demands. When I started in BGT, the other photographers and teams said the images would go for £5 per A4, and a deal for a CD, so that's what I went for. My USP was including a contact sheet with the CD plus a few other things which the teams really like.
For someone who has invested a significant amount of time in getting to all the race meetings, getting to know the teams, and can always be relied by the teams to showcase some great images, then yes they deserve to be recognised, and the likelihood is that the relationship they have created will often lead to more chance of firm sales and therefore less risk.
However, there is no exclusivity in being a photographer at a race meeting, so we all have to do our best to get great shots that people want to buy, otherwise we fail - very simple.
LASTLY - to re-iterate...don't use photographs in a manner you have not agreed beforehand with the photographer. It will come back to bite you, big time.
LB
(off to edit my 5000 pics from Croft
)Hi again LB, thanks for your comments. Maybe I've got it wrong then and have wrongly accused you of not getting back to me, if so, many apologies. I'm definitely refering to a race we did at Snet last year in the EERC V8 Supercars, so if BGT this year was your first visit there, it must've been someome else. If I could find an "embarrased smilie" I'd insert it at this point!
Were you by any chance at Silverstone last weekend and if so, did you get any shots of my Sagaris no 150 in the Dutch Supercars? My Son (Team photographer) is back at school now and so I have none! Thanks.
Steve G
Were you by any chance at Silverstone last weekend and if so, did you get any shots of my Sagaris no 150 in the Dutch Supercars? My Son (Team photographer) is back at school now and so I have none! Thanks.
Steve G
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