hate to say i told you so...

hate to say i told you so...

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spectatorsam

Original Poster:

411 posts

210 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Wurz looks to be gone next year acording to reports on f1racing.net.

never got the better of Nico

will you now admit that i was right and you were wrong :-)

no good
never was
never will be

996 Nobbys

71 posts

203 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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spectatorsam said:
Wurz looks to be gone next year acording to reports on f1racing.net.

never got the better of Nico

will you now admit that i was right and you were wrong :-)

no good
never was
never will be
think he is a very good test drive with exellant feedback but has been out classed by nico

sosidge

687 posts

216 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Add me to the nogood, neverwas, neverwillbe club!

Wurz in the Williams was probably the worst signing of the year.

The Hypno-Toad

12,304 posts

206 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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But don't forget he was very, very cheap which is what Frank needed during a rebuilding season.

williamp

19,277 posts

274 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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He's done a solid job (he got a podium, remember) but not spectacular.And if you think he won le Mans in 1996- thats a long time ago, so hehas been around a while.

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

201 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Really nice guy, but simply not fast enough this year. Potentially a sportscar star if he goes that route.

Ahonen

5,018 posts

280 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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spectatorsam said:
no good
never was
never will be
Excellent test and development driver who really struggles with the current qualifying format.

Also a good battler and all round decent bloke.

You, on the other hand, leave a rather less favourable impression.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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spectatorsam said:
Wurz looks to be gone next year acording to reports on f1racing.net.

never got the better of Nico

will you now admit that i was right and you were wrong :-)

no good
never was
never will be
when did you tell us this, i had worked out that Wurz would be riding his luck with F1 seats from about 2001... averages test driver, never looked like he had a competitive edge and never gave the impression that in a fast car he could challenge the best. Like Schumacher R, Fisichella et al, how they got drives beyond their second year in F1 is beyond me.

johnph

1,097 posts

230 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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uktrailmonster said:
Really nice guy, but simply not fast enough this year. Potentially a sportscar star if he goes that route.
True - his height has always worked against him and he has never given up, if i was in his position i would have given up and gone off to DTM/Sportscars a long time ago.

skinny

5,269 posts

236 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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so who's in? wurz is stronger than their japanese third driver (nakajima?) and i bet his feedback is invaluable to the team, he's just unfortunately not particularly strong in this years car whereas nico is showing his real talent and imo dragging the car further up the field than it should be

groomi

9,317 posts

244 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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I think Wurz has actually done a pretty solid job. As already mentioned he has struggled with the qualifying format which has hampered him in the races.

This season the midfield is closer that it has been for many years with Williams, Renault, Red Bull, Toyota, Super Aguri and Honda all in the hunt for the small points. Starting towards the back of this group makes scoring points very difficult as they're all so similar in pace.

When he has got into a good position he has repeatedly made the most of it - scoring a podium which Nico hasn't managed yet.

I would say that Wurz's skills as a development driver is massively important to Williams at the moment - if they drop him from the race seat do they risk losing him completely?

Who knows, maybe Wurz will cope better next year when there is no traction control and setting up the car to general mechanical traction/grip is more important? That's if he gets the chance ofcourse...

stephen300o

15,464 posts

229 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Did Williams have any trouble with fitting him in the chassis this year?, thats his biggest drawback, if they have to build a bigger chassis he's got to be more than good, theirs alot of "good" drivers a foot shorter.

PiB

1,199 posts

271 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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I think wurz has done a good job next to an extremely talented rosberg.

However, his radio communications always seemed to second guess his race engineer (or whoever was at the other end) and it was a little different from the radio com. a la schumacher (I know you hate him). Wurz has a lot of experience but I would have expected him to be discussing car setup during a race and not conversations like this. RE - "Push alex push your faster" AW - "You don't think I should conserve the tires?" Separate incident, AW "I think (car in front) is on a two stopper". These are rough recollections. Other drivers would be discussing the handling of the car at the 3 sections of a corner and at different corners trying to figure out what would improve the car or simply getting on with trying to drive fast.

Nevertheless, I believe he is grateful for his ride.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

228 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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spectatorsam said:
never was
There was definitely early promise - according to wikipedia - a 3rd and five 4ths from his first 12 races in a midfield Benetton Playlife.

OllieC

3,816 posts

215 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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Mr_Thyroid said:
spectatorsam said:
never was
There was definitely early promise - according to wikipedia - a 3rd and five 4ths from his first 12 races in a midfield Benetton Playlife.
its not just the stats, he showed a real battling quality and while being firm but fair was not scared of anyone or their reputations, like against scumbagger at monaco

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

201 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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PiB said:
Other drivers would be discussing the handling of the car at the 3 sections of a corner and at different corners trying to figure out what would improve the car or simply getting on with trying to drive fast.
They discuss car handling in that sort of detail only during debriefs and while the car is sat in the garage between test runs. Not in the middle of a race! Comms during the race are usually pretty minimal and often pointless.

skinny

5,269 posts

236 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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yeah having listened to a lot of radio transmissions, the only set-up you can really do over the radio is changing front wing for the next set of tyres. all the diff / tc / engine push stuff etc is adjustable by the driver for every corner entry / exit and they know what needs to be done.

spectatorsam

Original Poster:

411 posts

210 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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Excellent test and development driver who really struggles with the current qualifying format.

Also a good battler and all round decent bloke.

You, on the other hand, leave a rather less favourable impression.
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take that back you brute
laughlaughlaugh

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

252 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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Wurz is out because he is wurz than his team mate.




Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

217 months

Sunday 23rd September 2007
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Button returns to Williams ?