Discussion
Henry-F said:
I`m not sure about that. James is actually doing the decent thing by not asking for all the entries up front as per many championships. If you are worried about not being able to attend then do each round as it goes (but obviously run the risk of not being able to get on the grid). The problem is that once James has sold all his places on the smallest grid (probably around 44) he has to turn people away. If you bin it after the first round and decide to throw the towel in those people who didn`t get to do the first round may not want to do all the remaining rounds as they are disadvantaged (but they would have done all the rounds were there spaces available from the start).
Possibly a little add on for the motor sport insurance for next year
Henry
Sorry for the late response Henry but I've been away working on something that will hopefully add a few pennies to the 2008 budget pot.Possibly a little add on for the motor sport insurance for next year
Henry
I did say that I would only be looking for a deposit refund in the event that the grid space could be utilized and therefore paid for in full so that the EERC didn't lose out, if this didn't happen then I would accept this as a further consequence of the original problem that forced the issue in the first place. If we were to have an off that took some time to resolve repair wise, it wouldn't necessarily put us off continuing to run in the championship, OK, we might well have little hope of getting a championship end of season podium, but there are still races to be contested and fun to be had, for us, as with this last season, it wouldn't be the end of the world. As I've said here before, we only managed 5 races,(4 rounds) this season, but still came 4th in class, and rightly or wrongly we thought that under the circumstances that was not a bad result !!!
I could be wrong on this, but I believe that quite a few that race don't do so with the championship in mind as the be and end all, and if a grid slot became available, based on the current levels of interest, it should be filled fairly quickly.
Turning to another subject, I've just been reading the article in Autosport regarding the NEW series for GT3 Cup cars, not endurance racing and therefore probably of little interest to most of us but worth a look purely on the basis that there seems to be enough cars about with no particular home at present, to form a grid of between 20 to 22 cars. Sounds like Palmer is involved in one form or another.
Rod, the proposed GT Cup race series is being put together by Marc Haynes (details in Autosport) - actually quite a few of the Britcar regulars are racing, with it being a week prior to Brands and all that.
But you hit the nail on the head, not all clubbies with GT Cup cars want to go endurance racing, and so I personally think there is space for this series to co-exist.
Good luck to Marc in his venture.
But you hit the nail on the head, not all clubbies with GT Cup cars want to go endurance racing, and so I personally think there is space for this series to co-exist.
Good luck to Marc in his venture.
Jemco Andy said:
Rod, the proposed GT Cup race series is being put together by Marc Haynes (details in Autosport) - actually quite a few of the Britcar regulars are racing, with it being a week prior to Brands and all that.
But you hit the nail on the head, not all clubbies with GT Cup cars want to go endurance racing, and so I personally think there is space for this series to co-exist.
Good luck to Marc in his venture.
To tell you the truth, I mentioned it on here knowing that the EERC keep an eye on these posts as it seems to me to be something of a niche area at present and could well fit quite nicely into the Motorsport market place. There is even a possibility that it could fit in well with Britcar as a support event for as you say quite a few existing Britcar drivers/teams might find it an interesting diversion from time to time. Just a thought !! But you hit the nail on the head, not all clubbies with GT Cup cars want to go endurance racing, and so I personally think there is space for this series to co-exist.
Good luck to Marc in his venture.
Next year the AMOC are running a series called Super GT. They have already done 2 races this year to "put their toes in the water" and they are trying to attract much the same cars as Marc Haynes, albeit with the front of the grid being a little faster.
I doubt there is room for both and I have suggested to each of them that they talk to the other. Personally, I would like another "sprint series" being around. Sometimes, it can be good to just turn up and race without all the baggage involved in endurance racing! As for it hurting the EERC I can see it might but that is always a risk. The competitors are always free to enter other races after all!
Cheers,
Richard.
I doubt there is room for both and I have suggested to each of them that they talk to the other. Personally, I would like another "sprint series" being around. Sometimes, it can be good to just turn up and race without all the baggage involved in endurance racing! As for it hurting the EERC I can see it might but that is always a risk. The competitors are always free to enter other races after all!
Cheers,
Richard.
Now that's what I call a quick reaction 
In truth JT got there ahead of us as this was posted on the EERC first thing this morning.
Britcar is bound to be challenged from time to time, due to the percieved success of the last year, so the EERC is to launch the GT45's, these are 45 minute races on EERC'S Race Weekends. No refueling, single or two Drivers, Club status, access to entry to the 24hr Race, tyre support, TV and Hospitality,.
It would fit into the EERC'S weekends very well, giving new teams and old the chance to enjoy the friendly paddock at a EERC meeting and I wish to thank the Autosport for the idea.
sportingly
jt
In truth JT got there ahead of us as this was posted on the EERC first thing this morning.Britcar is bound to be challenged from time to time, due to the percieved success of the last year, so the EERC is to launch the GT45's, these are 45 minute races on EERC'S Race Weekends. No refueling, single or two Drivers, Club status, access to entry to the 24hr Race, tyre support, TV and Hospitality,.
It would fit into the EERC'S weekends very well, giving new teams and old the chance to enjoy the friendly paddock at a EERC meeting and I wish to thank the Autosport for the idea.
sportingly
jt
ALEC FRANCIS said:
I don't believe it, jt is on the Ball, www.eerc.co.uk
What else does everyone want....
Apologies Sir, didn't see your link !!What else does everyone want....
Anything that extends the meeting to a couple of races over 2 days is a good thing. That way we can enjoy all this planned hospitality (and avail ourselves of the benefits of a hot tub in the 911virgin paddock - invited guests only of course 
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You also still have the potential to go racing if you suffer a DNF on the first day.
Henry
)You also still have the potential to go racing if you suffer a DNF on the first day.
Henry
Racing Rod said:
Now that's what I call a quick reaction In truth JT got there ahead of us as this was posted on the EERC first thing this morning.
Britcar is bound to be challenged from time to time, due to the percieved success of the last year, so the EERC is to launch the GT45's, these are 45 minute races on EERC'S Race Weekends. No refueling, single or two Drivers, Club status, access to entry to the 24hr Race, tyre support, TV and Hospitality,.
It would fit into the EERC'S weekends very well, giving new teams and old the chance to enjoy the friendly paddock at a EERC meeting and I wish to thank the Autosport for the idea.
sportingly
jt
I wonder what the rules will be for these. In truth JT got there ahead of us as this was posted on the EERC first thing this morning.Britcar is bound to be challenged from time to time, due to the percieved success of the last year, so the EERC is to launch the GT45's, these are 45 minute races on EERC'S Race Weekends. No refueling, single or two Drivers, Club status, access to entry to the 24hr Race, tyre support, TV and Hospitality,.
It would fit into the EERC'S weekends very well, giving new teams and old the chance to enjoy the friendly paddock at a EERC meeting and I wish to thank the Autosport for the idea.
sportingly
jt
You lot have Britcar 400/300/260/200.
Can we have Britcar 700/600/500 for this then eh? What me? V8 Supercars's via the back door? such frivolous remarks.
Richard, can you ask Tony if the Belmont's tank will hold 45mins-worth of juice, or will I have to snaffle one of Henry's hot tubs, rope it to the roofrack, and use it's extra capacity? Don't you just love american V8's.
And reading back through the thread (sorry guys, I've been away from the forum for a week or so!), 2pf showed cheap V8 power with a F badge on it.
You can build two chevy's for the price of a ford!
Chevy LS7 (as used in the GT3 Mosler) 505bhp, in the crate, $12000 (if you hunt for a good deal), brand new, from General Motors, dry sumped, etc...
Comments related to the Exige losing to the Beemer on the long straights - there's no substitute for cubic inches - and remote the wing off the Exige and you'll be with the Beemer. It's a Danny La-Rue thing.
I'm looking at getting a restrictor plate for my V8 (it's got one of those old fashioned carburettor things on it!), as I don't relish bolting hundreds of kilo's of lead to it. It'd rather make it a little asthmatic and thus more economical, though doing that will still retain shed loads of colonial torque, and it's grunt that makes acceleration.
Rob.
The Class Structure:
Britsports Class1) GT2 restricted/GT3 /Britcar 1
Britsports Class 2) GT4/ GTCup / Britcar 2 (Marcos/Porsche 996/Ferrari 360) RadicalSR3/SR4
Britsports Class 3) LMP2 Per 2005 FIA Regs./Supersports
Britsports Class 4) LP4/ VdeVCN/V8Radical
Friday Testing:
3x50 mins (per 50 min session £120.00 +vat)
Saturday Race Day:
Practice 1x30min. Qual 1x30min. One Race 1x50min. £425.00.
or/and
Practice 1x30min. Qual 1x30min. Two Races 2x50min. £825.00
No Refuelling
Nos of Rounds:7
Nos of Races:9
Worst 2 Races to be dropped.
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It looks to me these overlap,
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Britcar is bound to be challenged from time to time, due to the percieved success of the last year, so the EERC is to launch the GT50's, these are 50 minute races on EERC'S Race Weekends. No refueling, single or two Drivers, Club status, access to entry to the 24hr Race, tyre support, TV and Hospitality,.
It would fit into the EERC'S weekends very well, giving new teams and old the chance to enjoy the friendly paddock at a EERC meeting and I wish to thank the Autosport for the idea.
sportingly
jt
Britsports Class1) GT2 restricted/GT3 /Britcar 1
Britsports Class 2) GT4/ GTCup / Britcar 2 (Marcos/Porsche 996/Ferrari 360) RadicalSR3/SR4
Britsports Class 3) LMP2 Per 2005 FIA Regs./Supersports
Britsports Class 4) LP4/ VdeVCN/V8Radical
Friday Testing:
3x50 mins (per 50 min session £120.00 +vat)
Saturday Race Day:
Practice 1x30min. Qual 1x30min. One Race 1x50min. £425.00.
or/and
Practice 1x30min. Qual 1x30min. Two Races 2x50min. £825.00
No Refuelling
Nos of Rounds:7
Nos of Races:9
Worst 2 Races to be dropped.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It looks to me these overlap,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Britcar is bound to be challenged from time to time, due to the percieved success of the last year, so the EERC is to launch the GT50's, these are 50 minute races on EERC'S Race Weekends. No refueling, single or two Drivers, Club status, access to entry to the 24hr Race, tyre support, TV and Hospitality,.
It would fit into the EERC'S weekends very well, giving new teams and old the chance to enjoy the friendly paddock at a EERC meeting and I wish to thank the Autosport for the idea.
sportingly
jt
thunderbelmont said:
Comments related to the Exige losing to the Beemer on the long straights - there's no substitute for cubic inches - and remote the wing off the Exige and you'll be with the Beemer. It's a Danny La-Rue thing.
now your dreaming....yes the std wing is usless and draggy, we use a purpose desined jobbie (along with a shed load of other subtle stuff).
Basic problem is the car is too short, an has an appauling Cd (High 0.4's), compare that with a 911 or BMW E36 etc.
to give you some idea, on the 24H weekend, the highest speed we got to was 132Mph (Hanger) and that was in qualifing.
Scuffers
Your right, your Lotus doesn't stand a chance around silverstone, but you knew this when you bought it surely, round somewhere like knockhill the big V8's wouldn't come anywhere near your Lotus. Horses for courses and all that. There is only so much that the organisers can do to evaluate performance over such a large group of manufacturers, during the course of the season there will be times when everyone will be competitve or no where near the pace. All anyone can do is buy a good allrounder (porsche?) or enjoy the benefits of a good race engineer to get the best out of the car for each circuit.
Your right, your Lotus doesn't stand a chance around silverstone, but you knew this when you bought it surely, round somewhere like knockhill the big V8's wouldn't come anywhere near your Lotus. Horses for courses and all that. There is only so much that the organisers can do to evaluate performance over such a large group of manufacturers, during the course of the season there will be times when everyone will be competitve or no where near the pace. All anyone can do is buy a good allrounder (porsche?) or enjoy the benefits of a good race engineer to get the best out of the car for each circuit.
racemech said:
Scuffers
Your right, your Lotus doesn't stand a chance around silverstone, but you knew this when you bought it surely, round somewhere like knockhill the big V8's wouldn't come anywhere near your Lotus. Horses for courses and all that. There is only so much that the organisers can do to evaluate performance over such a large group of manufacturers, during the course of the season there will be times when everyone will be competitve or no where near the pace. All anyone can do is buy a good allrounder (porsche?) or enjoy the benefits of a good race engineer to get the best out of the car for each circuit.
LOL!Your right, your Lotus doesn't stand a chance around silverstone, but you knew this when you bought it surely, round somewhere like knockhill the big V8's wouldn't come anywhere near your Lotus. Horses for courses and all that. There is only so much that the organisers can do to evaluate performance over such a large group of manufacturers, during the course of the season there will be times when everyone will be competitve or no where near the pace. All anyone can do is buy a good allrounder (porsche?) or enjoy the benefits of a good race engineer to get the best out of the car for each circuit.
I am not complaining about running a Lotus, just making the point that P/W does not always make for a level playing field (and BTW, did not notice knockhill on the calinder....)
at the end of the day, a 911/etc. on the same P/W as the Lotus will ultimatly always be faster. 24H is a bit of a difference situation, where fuel consumption comes into play, but when we are back down to 2 hour races etc, that does not help us as we have to stop the same number of times everybody else does.
Issue I see is that with the Lotus, we will be in the top class, and with all the will in the world, we are not going to be on that pace...
hope you didn't take that the wrong way i wasn't lambasting you or your car at all.
The point i was trying to make was that unless you go downa very expensive route of equilisation, which doesn't always work, see british GT3, then it is impossible to make a level playing field.
I realise knockhill is not on the calendar, thank goodness, was just the extreme opposite to silverstone. Of course your Lotus will weigh in so little that i would imagine, (educated guess here) that you can run a softer tyre for the whole two hours, therefore more grip than a more powerful and therefor heavier car.
The point i was trying to make was that unless you go downa very expensive route of equilisation, which doesn't always work, see british GT3, then it is impossible to make a level playing field.
I realise knockhill is not on the calendar, thank goodness, was just the extreme opposite to silverstone. Of course your Lotus will weigh in so little that i would imagine, (educated guess here) that you can run a softer tyre for the whole two hours, therefore more grip than a more powerful and therefor heavier car.
racemech said:
hope you didn't take that the wrong way i wasn't lambasting you or your car at all.
No prolem! I'm thicker skined than that...racemech said:
The point i was trying to make was that unless you go downa very expensive route of equilisation, which doesn't always work, see british GT3, then it is impossible to make a level playing field.
your not wrong thereracemech said:
I realise knockhill is not on the calendar, thank goodness, was just the extreme opposite to silverstone. Of course your Lotus will weigh in so little that i would imagine, (educated guess here) that you can run a softer tyre for the whole two hours, therefore more grip than a more powerful and therefor heavier car.
there's the rub... Dunlop have done no work on the Exige tyre for several years now, to the point they don't even have the range of compounds avaliable they used to for it (can't blame them as in real terms, nobody is really running them), so effetively we are several years behind on the tyre front, whereas a 911/BMW/etc. tyre will still be very much current product with continuing development.Now, I am not complaining as such about this, it's my choice to run a 'different' car, and I accept there will be issues related to this, just trying o get accross that it's not exactly plain sailing setting a simple P/W regs for a level playing field.
To a certain extent, I am sure others will raise an eyebrow if I enter my ProSport, it's on about the same power and weight as the Lotus, (and is also on 10+ year old tyres) but I would be lieing if I suggested it will run at the same pace...
Scuffers said:
there's the rub... Dunlop have done no work on the Exige tyre for several years now, to the point they don't even have the range of compounds avaliable they used to for it (can't blame them as in real terms, nobody is really running them), so effetively we are several years behind on the tyre front, whereas a 911/BMW/etc. tyre will still be very much current product with continuing development.
Out of interest, Simon, what compound and construction do you guys run on the Lotus? I mainly ask because HP don't generally supply any LMS spec tyres to anyone in Britcar, purely because they don't have access to them. I wanted to try some tricky compounds at the 24, but the only available compounds were identical to those we used in BGT in '03. I did get a different construction to play with, which was a step forward, but nothing radical.
Might it be worth running what the Cadena guys used in BGT in '04? They always seemed to have plenty of grip.
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