Mosley strikes again!

[Stuismyname]

jamieboy said:

Any chance we can raise the debate above this level?

I hope so. I've no idea why people choose to keep bringing up Max's long dead father as though Max's own beliefs and actions are the same by default; particularly on a motorsport forum ffs.

You may not like what he's done during his tenure in charge of the FIA, but let's keep a bit of perspective eh.

[SplatSpeed]

Stuismyname said:

jamieboy said:

Any chance we can raise the debate above this level?

I hope so. I've no idea why people choose to keep bringing up Max's long dead father as though Max's own beliefs and actions are the same by default; particularly on a motorsport forum ffs.

You may not like what he's done during his tenure in charge of the FIA, but let's keep a bit of perspective eh.

they are saying he runs the fia as a dictatorship

[Apache]

tank slapper said:

Mosley told The Daily Express. "I feel the only way to have a fair championship in 2008 would have been to exclude McLaren but that would probably have put them out of business."

Oh sure, and F1 wouldn't lose loads of fans either would it you cock.
I regained interest when LH arrived on the scene but to be honest I couldn't give a rats ass about it after this pantomime. Just exclude everyone and let Ferrari drive around on their own

[Stuismyname]

SplatSpeed said:

Stuismyname said:

jamieboy said:

Any chance we can raise the debate above this level?

I hope so. I've no idea why people choose to keep bringing up Max's long dead father as though Max's own beliefs and actions are the same by default; particularly on a motorsport forum ffs.

You may not like what he's done during his tenure in charge of the FIA, but let's keep a bit of perspective eh.

they are saying he runs the fia as a dictatorship

Oh come on - no they weren't! Flick back to Jamieboy's quote on p1..

[10 Pence Short]

Apache said:

Just exclude everyone and let Ferrari drive around on their own

He's already tried that in Indianapolis, when he blocked attempts to allow Michelin runners to race.

[andyps]

tank slapper said:

Some more comments here

"There are still some great mysteries: was Nigel Stepney passing on information for free?" said Mosley. "That's very unlikely. Therefore who paid him and why?"

"Everything will come out in detail and we will all be surprised," Mosley told The Daily Express. "I feel the only way to have a fair championship in 2008 would have been to exclude McLaren but that would probably have put them out of business."


He seems to be implying that there is further information that has yet to be revealed. If that is so, why was the WMSC hearing so restricted in its length, and why was no further evidence presented at the hearing? Every time he opens his mouth it looks more like a personal vendetta.

I keep hoping that the other things which will come out in detail will come from Nigel Stepney and may well relate to activities by Ferrari during the past few seasons. Unfortunately, I suspect this may not happen, not because he has nothing to say, but because he would be offered options to make it undesirable to let people outside Ferrari know what he knows. If he were sent to prison in Italy for what he has done it would give him plenty of time to write his memoirs, but maybe that won't happen if the charges are dropped and he decides that Italy is somewhere he can't be bothered to visit again...

There have been many rumours about the Ferrari running illegally, and if there is any truth to this Stepney would know.

The trouble is, I doubt this is what Max is talking about. More likely they are concocting further allegations which teams will not be able to disprove. At least if Max is going in 2009 there is a slight hope that we will get someone who wants to put the sport back and create a level playing field, but unfortunately, as the current members of the FIA have all received favours from Max and Bernie we will end up with the person they recommend. Might not stop me applying for the job though

[[k]arl]

IMHO, McLaren face an unenviable task for next year, in that they will no doubt once again be forced to try to prove a negative, insofar as the genesis of the ideas for the 08 car are concerned. If the burden of proof once again is to be 'suspicion' then Ron will be stuffed. All the post-hearing innuendo and speculation from Moseley IMHO demonstrates this - the vast majority of F1 fans will not have read the transcripts, but will have seen Mad Max's comments reported - and as a much older and wiser man than I once said "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on".

As for Stepney and the 'buried bodies', I think these may just emerge sooner that many may want. I note today's announcement that Spring next year will see the publication of his autobiography, entitled "Red Mist", complete with a section devoted to the scandal.

[k]

[andyps]

[k]arl said:

As for Stepney and the 'buried bodies', I think these may just emerge sooner that many may want. I note today's announcement that Spring next year will see the publication of his autobiography, entitled "Red Mist", complete with a section devoted to the scandal.

[k]

But if he publishes all he knows will he manage to live to enjoy the proceeds?

[anonymous-user]

So much for Ron and McLaren trying to put this behind the sport by not going to apeal.

I suspect Max Mosley waited until the apeal lodging date passed before synically ramping up the rheteric against McLaren to give them an even bigger kicking in order to damage them further.

Is Max mentally ill, i suspect he is, judging by his actions of late.

[PJS917]

johnfelstead said:

Is Max mentally ill, i suspect he is, judging by his actions of late.

His behaviour is showing a similar pattern to that of a despot in his final days, his verbal attack on JYS is personal which is unnecessary and rather pointless, but then so have his attacks on Ron.

F1 is a business and he is damaging it, Frank Williams has already commented on sponsors for next year being less keen, Mosleys comments as reported only further damage the sport, make him and the FIA/WMSC look even more inept. He is damaging the credibility for next year’s championship, hopefully it won’t take long before the people who make up the FIA have a vote of no confidence in him.

[LongQ]

PJS917 said:

He is damaging the credibility for next year’s championship, hopefully it won’t take long before the people who make up the FIA have a vote of no confidence in him.

Hmm, but who takes over?

Todt perhaps if he leaves Ferrari? Or is that why he is rumoured to be leaving Ferrari?

[flemke]

PJS917 said:

johnfelstead said:

Is Max mentally ill, i suspect he is, judging by his actions of late.

His behaviour is showing a similar pattern to that of a despot in his final days, his verbal attack on JYS is personal which is unnecessary and rather pointless, but then so have his attacks on Ron.

F1 is a business and he is damaging it, Frank Williams has already commented on sponsors for next year being less keen, Mosleys comments as reported only further damage the sport, make him and the FIA/WMSC look even more inept. He is damaging the credibility for next year’s championship, hopefully it won’t take long before the people who make up the FIA have a vote of no confidence in him.

In the short term, however, the less money the teams have, the less powerful they are, which would give relatively more power to Mosley and the FIA.

The FIA membership would be very unlikely to unseat him for his treatment of McLaren - he could always hide behind the defence that the WMSC, not he, made the decision. (I say, wasn't that a pig that just flew past the window?)
They could possibly, in theory, sack him for defaming one of the all-time greats of the sport, but that would be a stretch. One would guess that he had amongst the members enough chits to call in to protect himself from all but the most unspeakably outrageous behaviour; it certainly has appeared that way in recent years.
Gratuitously mocking and slandering a former World Champion, one of the sport's most respected global ambassadors, would prima facia amount to "bringing the sport into disrepute": one might well think that the FIA would see that as grounds for his sacking. One ought not, however, to hold one's breath. This dog seems to have nine lives.
I'm not even sure what the procedure for his sacking would be - perhaps an extraordinary meeting of the FIA? The guy is clearing off in two years, so it's hard to see them stirring things up in advance of his eagerly awaited departure.

[10 Pence Short]

I've just read his comments and can't believe what he said. Unbelievable. At worst he could have said words along the lines of 'least said soonest mended' with a glib smile. Absolutely no need to begin questioning someone's dress sense.

I don't doubt for one second that if a team owner (perhaps excepting a Ferrari team owner) called Mosley a geriatric, rambling nazi despot there'd be legal action faster than you can say Ferrari International Assistance.

[80Bob]

And let's not forget that Max is firmly in favour of intelligent speed controlm (ISC) on your road cars. His dangerous influence extends outwith motorsport.

[andyps]

flemke said:

Gratuitously mocking and slandering a former World Champion, one of the sport's most respected global ambassadors, would prima facia amount to "bringing the sport into disrepute": one might well think that the FIA would see that as grounds for his sacking. One ought not, however, to hold one's breath. This dog seems to have nine lives.

Whilst I have never met JYS it does seem that Mosley has a very different view of him to that which JYS manages to portray in the media, and which is reported by those who come into contact with him. I find it hard to believe that someone who is laughed at by the teams attends every grand prix on behalf of sponsors. If his views were that out of line with what the teams want they surely would be unlikely to pay him wouldn't they?

Maybe JYS will be the one to bring action against Mosley for defamation of character which might be the beginning of the end for the dictator.

[flemke]

andyps said:

flemke said:

Gratuitously mocking and slandering a former World Champion, one of the sport's most respected global ambassadors, would prima facia amount to "bringing the sport into disrepute": one might well think that the FIA would see that as grounds for his sacking. One ought not, however, to hold one's breath. This dog seems to have nine lives.

Whilst I have never met JYS it does seem that Mosley has a very different view of him to that which JYS manages to portray in the media, and which is reported by those who come into contact with him. I find it hard to believe that someone who is laughed at by the teams attends every grand prix on behalf of sponsors. If his views were that out of line with what the teams want they surely would be unlikely to pay him wouldn't they?

Maybe JYS will be the one to bring action against Mosley for defamation of character which might be the beginning of the end for the dictator.

For a "figure of fun" who is a "certified halfwit", he's not done too badly in life.
Must have been just good luck.

[Tankman]

Apache said:

I regained interest when LH arrived on the scene but to be honest I couldn't give a rats ass about it after this pantomime.

What he said

[andyps]

flemke said:

andyps said:

flemke said:

Gratuitously mocking and slandering a former World Champion, one of the sport's most respected global ambassadors, would prima facia amount to "bringing the sport into disrepute": one might well think that the FIA would see that as grounds for his sacking. One ought not, however, to hold one's breath. This dog seems to have nine lives.

Whilst I have never met JYS it does seem that Mosley has a very different view of him to that which JYS manages to portray in the media, and which is reported by those who come into contact with him. I find it hard to believe that someone who is laughed at by the teams attends every grand prix on behalf of sponsors. If his views were that out of line with what the teams want they surely would be unlikely to pay him wouldn't they?

Maybe JYS will be the one to bring action against Mosley for defamation of character which might be the beginning of the end for the dictator.

For a "figure of fun" who is a "certified halfwit", he's not done too badly in life.
Must have been just good luck.

I suspect it is all down to the lucky Stewart tartan!

Edited by andyps on Wednesday 26th September 09:50

[mark69sheer]

Well they say absolute power allways corrupts.

Quite Frankly Bernie and Max are nothing but a pair of parasites who have lived off the back of nicotine addicts to make their pot of gold.

The teams only have themselves to blame if Ron Dennis had any sense he would be running a NASCAR outfit and earning mega dollars.

F1 has long since stopped being a true contest 'mano a mano'

Give me tin tops any day...

All wings and slicks classes now are not worth watching.. bye bye Formula BMW?

The lower categories are once again a load of rich kids enjoying themselves while poor kids push their noses to the railings.

The only notable exception was the Thruxton F3 recently where the lack of downforce neccessary for the speed needed made a very compact front race which was great to watch.

[Chaparral 2E]

flemke said:

PJS917 said:

johnfelstead said:

Is Max mentally ill, i suspect he is, judging by his actions of late.

His behaviour is showing a similar pattern to that of a despot in his final days, his verbal attack on JYS is personal which is unnecessary and rather pointless, but then so have his attacks on Ron.

F1 is a business and he is damaging it, Frank Williams has already commented on sponsors for next year being less keen, Mosleys comments as reported only further damage the sport, make him and the FIA/WMSC look even more inept. He is damaging the credibility for next year’s championship, hopefully it won’t take long before the people who make up the FIA have a vote of no confidence in him.

In the short term, however, the less money the teams have, the less powerful they are, which would give relatively more power to Mosley and the FIA.

The FIA membership would be very unlikely to unseat him for his treatment of McLaren - he could always hide behind the defence that the WMSC, not he, made the decision. (I say, wasn't that a pig that just flew past the window?)
They could possibly, in theory, sack him for defaming one of the all-time greats of the sport, but that would be a stretch. One would guess that he had amongst the members enough chits to call in to protect himself from all but the most unspeakably outrageous behaviour; it certainly has appeared that way in recent years.
Gratuitously mocking and slandering a former World Champion, one of the sport's most respected global ambassadors, would prima facia amount to "bringing the sport into disrepute": one might well think that the FIA would see that as grounds for his sacking. One ought not, however, to hold one's breath. This dog seems to have nine lives.
I'm not even sure what the procedure for his sacking would be - perhaps an extraordinary meeting of the FIA? The guy is clearing off in two years, so it's hard to see them stirring things up in advance of his eagerly awaited departure.

Flemke - you seem to have a reasonable grounding in all this background stuff and whilst Ive followed this sport (sorry business) pretty closely since the mid 60's from down here in Aussie and I'm failing to see one thing in all this Mosley rubbish he's spouting.
Why have the teams let Mosley & the FIA take the lead on all this when it comes to what the public perceives and see's via the general press - especially if its doing harm to the teams/manufacturers core business. In any 'entertainment' business (which is what this is) you only allow the publicity you want out there in the public domain - i.e. you manipulate what the general public are privvy to.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Mosley sold the rights run the championship to Ecclestone for $350 mil some years back so its Bernies game correct. The teams used to have a voice through FOCA which is now null and void and their only input is via the Concorde agreement - outside of that they dont have a voice in how the business is presented to the general public. The only voice who could take the lead on their behalf in this is Ecclestone - correct - surely he see's what this very vindictive and vitriolic saga is doing to the core business. I'm sorry but I know of no other sporting regulatory body (and thats all the FIA are) that would be allowed to act in this way and basically allow the sport they regulate be seen in such a light - it beggars belief - or am I completely off track.