Lewis Hamilton: An Englishman to be proud of...
Discussion
As an Englishman, Lewis Hamilton's talent has captivated me and I am increasinly perplexed by the rubbed hands of glee whenever something goes wrong for him.
...of course there's the pathetic and increasingly common feature, that is our British brothers; the Scots, Welsh, Irish; who love nothing more than to see an Englishman lose, in whatever sport. Pathetic; and in some small , quite sadistic way; pleasurable when we take account of how poor they all are at sport generally. I think Lewis should have a Saint George next to his name, and not a Union Jack as it would seem many Brits would not have him represent them. I'm not any kind of patriot, but simply curious as to the extent that our neighbours suffer from what is quite likely an inferiority complex.
Talking of the ethnicity issue is an extrememly unfortunate facet of this situation but never-the-less, I think that there are a small minority of people who may do well to dig deep and see if it's an underlying feature to their own views on his success. I'd like to think that it's not a factor but some people seem to be in denial of this extremely young and unbelievable talent. Please consider the pressure he has endured this season from all angles right to the last hurrah. What is it in the British psyche that has people dowdy when someone like this comes along?
...of course there's the pathetic and increasingly common feature, that is our British brothers; the Scots, Welsh, Irish; who love nothing more than to see an Englishman lose, in whatever sport. Pathetic; and in some small , quite sadistic way; pleasurable when we take account of how poor they all are at sport generally. I think Lewis should have a Saint George next to his name, and not a Union Jack as it would seem many Brits would not have him represent them. I'm not any kind of patriot, but simply curious as to the extent that our neighbours suffer from what is quite likely an inferiority complex.
Talking of the ethnicity issue is an extrememly unfortunate facet of this situation but never-the-less, I think that there are a small minority of people who may do well to dig deep and see if it's an underlying feature to their own views on his success. I'd like to think that it's not a factor but some people seem to be in denial of this extremely young and unbelievable talent. Please consider the pressure he has endured this season from all angles right to the last hurrah. What is it in the British psyche that has people dowdy when someone like this comes along?
LDNrevs said:
As an Englishman, Lewis Hamilton's talent has captivated me and I am increasinly perplexed by the rubbed hands of glee whenever something goes wrong for him.
...of course there's the pathetic and increasingly common feature, that is our British brothers; the Scots, Welsh, Irish; who love nothing more than to see an Englishman lose, in whatever sport. Pathetic; and in some small , quite sadistic way; pleasurable when we take account of how poor they all are at sport generally. I think Lewis should have a Saint George next to his name, and not a Union Jack as it would seem many Brits would not have him represent them. I'm not any kind of patriot, but simply curious as to the extent that our neighbours suffer from what is quite likely an inferiority complex.
Talking of the ethnicity issue is an extrememly unfortunate facet of this situation but never-the-less, I think that there are a small minority of people who may do well to dig deep and see if it's an underlying feature to their own views on his success. I'd like to think that it's not a factor but some people seem to be in denial of this extremely young and unbelievable talent. Please consider the pressure he has endured this season from all angles right to the last hurrah. What is it in the British psyche that has people dowdy when someone like this comes along?
what he said!! I hope that a few (more the merrier) youngster who are of the hoodie persuasion will be inspired to better things by this truly remarkable young man...of course there's the pathetic and increasingly common feature, that is our British brothers; the Scots, Welsh, Irish; who love nothing more than to see an Englishman lose, in whatever sport. Pathetic; and in some small , quite sadistic way; pleasurable when we take account of how poor they all are at sport generally. I think Lewis should have a Saint George next to his name, and not a Union Jack as it would seem many Brits would not have him represent them. I'm not any kind of patriot, but simply curious as to the extent that our neighbours suffer from what is quite likely an inferiority complex.
Talking of the ethnicity issue is an extrememly unfortunate facet of this situation but never-the-less, I think that there are a small minority of people who may do well to dig deep and see if it's an underlying feature to their own views on his success. I'd like to think that it's not a factor but some people seem to be in denial of this extremely young and unbelievable talent. Please consider the pressure he has endured this season from all angles right to the last hurrah. What is it in the British psyche that has people dowdy when someone like this comes along?
LDNrevs said:
Yes... and I know the conspiracy theories. My point is purely and simply:
Lewis Hamilton is a DRIVING talent, and some people are in denial of THAT. You follow?
ease up chap, had a late night and was up early to watch Lewis display remarkable decorum considering!! Lewis Hamilton is a DRIVING talent, and some people are in denial of THAT. You follow?
the political stigma will remain(negative) as will the manner in which Lewis has conducted himself(positive), just as the Cobblers "banger race tactics" will always be remembered(tainted)
Agreed. I think much of the season's politics have been a farce but I can't believe that someone would suggest that it could in any way, overshadow the actual talent of Lewis. Nothing could overshadow that. Alonso knows it, Ferrari knows it, and so does the rest of the racing world... I think there'll be many more lame attempts to take LH's eye of the ball over the coming years...
An englishman to be proud of? James Toseland - World Superbike Champion 2007.
All this xenophonic c.r.a.p about the Scots etc. has no place here. As a (Scottish) karter, I've been following Lewis for years, and was pretty sure his talent would show (thought it might take a little longer) but I wish the media would stop fanning the flames and let him get on with driving.
Just imagine the abuse Alonso would have taken if he's dropped it in the kitty litter on the way into the pits!
Mistakes happen, and the championship is just that - a championship over a season.
Congrats to Mr Toseland, hope he goes well in MotoGP.
Roll on Interlagos.
All this xenophonic c.r.a.p about the Scots etc. has no place here. As a (Scottish) karter, I've been following Lewis for years, and was pretty sure his talent would show (thought it might take a little longer) but I wish the media would stop fanning the flames and let him get on with driving.
Just imagine the abuse Alonso would have taken if he's dropped it in the kitty litter on the way into the pits!
Mistakes happen, and the championship is just that - a championship over a season.
Congrats to Mr Toseland, hope he goes well in MotoGP.
Roll on Interlagos.
LDNrevs said:
As an Englishman, Lewis Hamilton's talent has captivated me and I am increasinly perplexed by the rubbed hands of glee whenever something goes wrong for him.
...of course there's the pathetic and increasingly common feature, that is our British brothers; the Scots, Welsh, Irish; who love nothing more than to see an Englishman lose, in whatever sport. Pathetic; and in some small , quite sadistic way; pleasurable when we take account of how poor they all are at sport generally. I think Lewis should have a Saint George next to his name, and not a Union Jack as it would seem many Brits would not have him represent them. I'm not any kind of patriot, but simply curious as to the extent that our neighbours suffer from what is quite likely an inferiority complex.
Talking of the ethnicity issue is an extrememly unfortunate facet of this situation but never-the-less, I think that there are a small minority of people who may do well to dig deep and see if it's an underlying feature to their own views on his success. I'd like to think that it's not a factor but some people seem to be in denial of this extremely young and unbelievable talent. Please consider the pressure he has endured this season from all angles right to the last hurrah. What is it in the British psyche that has people dowdy when someone like this comes along?
What a load of shite. Inferiority complex? Jackie Stewart, Jim Clarke? Just appreciate the racing like we all do and keep your bigoted nonsense to yourself. ...of course there's the pathetic and increasingly common feature, that is our British brothers; the Scots, Welsh, Irish; who love nothing more than to see an Englishman lose, in whatever sport. Pathetic; and in some small , quite sadistic way; pleasurable when we take account of how poor they all are at sport generally. I think Lewis should have a Saint George next to his name, and not a Union Jack as it would seem many Brits would not have him represent them. I'm not any kind of patriot, but simply curious as to the extent that our neighbours suffer from what is quite likely an inferiority complex.
Talking of the ethnicity issue is an extrememly unfortunate facet of this situation but never-the-less, I think that there are a small minority of people who may do well to dig deep and see if it's an underlying feature to their own views on his success. I'd like to think that it's not a factor but some people seem to be in denial of this extremely young and unbelievable talent. Please consider the pressure he has endured this season from all angles right to the last hurrah. What is it in the British psyche that has people dowdy when someone like this comes along?
djmotorsport said:
All this xenophonic c.r.a.p about the Scots etc. has no place here. As a (Scottish) karter, I've been following Lewis for years, and was pretty sure his talent would show (thought it might take a little longer)
Fair play to you. A genuine fan who appreciates LH talent. Good to see, but I'm come across far too much negativity towards Lewis; enough to leave me wondering..... deevlash said:
What a load of shite. Inferiority complex? Jackie Stewart, Jim Clarke? Just appreciate the racing like we all do and keep your bigoted nonsense to yourself.
WOW! relax. My original point has been lost completely and apologies if there's anything that could be deemed as bigoted nonsense.Lewis is an incredible driver and many many people are in denial. WHY!?!?? (that was my original point Is it that he's young? Is is his ethnicity? Is it that he's English? Lewis COULD be the greatest English sportsman of all time despite the hurdles / yes it will be a while but all the signs are there; and then some! Give the boy some credit
deevlash said:
Why single out the celts for being anti? The majority of the talk seems to come from english chaps anyway and a few spaniards too. Lewis is great, bit rough around the edges maybe but being in the positon hes put himself in is still incredible despite this mornings hiccup
You know..... I stand corrected. It's a fair point you make that there's many LH haters who are English so fair enough. Apologies to anyone insulted and I shouldn't have singled out CeltsThere's no such race as celts in Britain. The British were no more celts than they were Roman or Norman. Less so as there was never ever any invasion of this country by anyone who can be called celtish unlike roman/norman. The odd thing is, of course, that the Scots have much Viking blood in them, as indeed did the Normans (a contraction of Norse Men), the English - originally those in the north and north east, and the Irish.
There was no concept of Scotland until the Romans built our first wall and even then it was two countries - highlands and lowlands - and remained that way certainly until 1707. Come to that, there was the Antonine wall which divided the highs and lows and which could have been the border.
Any talk about the differences between the Scots, Welsh, Irish and English has to take acount of the fact that there is no difference in race. You cannot tell genetically where any one person in these isles comes from. It irritates me as a person of supposed mixed 'race' when people start talking of their inheritance. It comes from all over Europe.
There is every possibility that there was a tribe that could be called the celts that lived in northern Europe a couple of thousand years ago, but they were nothing like what we call 'celts'. They were very aryan in appearance. The 'defining' celt characteristic, red hair, is, evidently, a Viking trait.
What it all adds up to, of course, is that any feelings of superiority of the English, Scots, Welsh or Irish over any other part of the country because of any assumed racial characteristics is all in the mind. The only difference is cultural, and that changes on a weekly basis. There's no similarity between the culture of London today (or any other town/city in the British Isles) with that of 50 years ago. Culture, whatever that means, is one of the victims of television.
For once, Hollywood has got it right. They portrayed Bill Wallace with a bloke born in Australia who calls himself American and, in the hilariously incorrect Robin Hood, they has a professional scot, Connery, as King Richard who was just about as French as you can get without a string of onions. In other words, we are all interchangeable.
Whatever is the cause of the aggravation between a few people from different areas of this country it is not racial nor even cultural. It's something else entirely.
There was no concept of Scotland until the Romans built our first wall and even then it was two countries - highlands and lowlands - and remained that way certainly until 1707. Come to that, there was the Antonine wall which divided the highs and lows and which could have been the border.
Any talk about the differences between the Scots, Welsh, Irish and English has to take acount of the fact that there is no difference in race. You cannot tell genetically where any one person in these isles comes from. It irritates me as a person of supposed mixed 'race' when people start talking of their inheritance. It comes from all over Europe.
There is every possibility that there was a tribe that could be called the celts that lived in northern Europe a couple of thousand years ago, but they were nothing like what we call 'celts'. They were very aryan in appearance. The 'defining' celt characteristic, red hair, is, evidently, a Viking trait.
What it all adds up to, of course, is that any feelings of superiority of the English, Scots, Welsh or Irish over any other part of the country because of any assumed racial characteristics is all in the mind. The only difference is cultural, and that changes on a weekly basis. There's no similarity between the culture of London today (or any other town/city in the British Isles) with that of 50 years ago. Culture, whatever that means, is one of the victims of television.
For once, Hollywood has got it right. They portrayed Bill Wallace with a bloke born in Australia who calls himself American and, in the hilariously incorrect Robin Hood, they has a professional scot, Connery, as King Richard who was just about as French as you can get without a string of onions. In other words, we are all interchangeable.
Whatever is the cause of the aggravation between a few people from different areas of this country it is not racial nor even cultural. It's something else entirely.
Derek Smith said:
There's no such race as celts in Britain. The British were no more celts than they were Roman or Norman. Less so as there was never ever any invasion of this country by anyone who can be called celtish unlike roman/norman. The odd thing is, of course, that the Scots have much Viking blood in them, as indeed did the Normans (a contraction of Norse Men), the English - originally those in the north and north east, and the Irish.
There was no concept of Scotland until the Romans built our first wall and even then it was two countries - highlands and lowlands - and remained that way certainly until 1707. Come to that, there was the Antonine wall which divided the highs and lows and which could have been the border.
Any talk about the differences between the Scots, Welsh, Irish and English has to take acount of the fact that there is no difference in race. You cannot tell genetically where any one person in these isles comes from. It irritates me as a person of supposed mixed 'race' when people start talking of their inheritance. It comes from all over Europe.
There is every possibility that there was a tribe that could be called the celts that lived in northern Europe a couple of thousand years ago, but they were nothing like what we call 'celts'. They were very aryan in appearance. The 'defining' celt characteristic, red hair, is, evidently, a Viking trait.
What it all adds up to, of course, is that any feelings of superiority of the English, Scots, Welsh or Irish over any other part of the country because of any assumed racial characteristics is all in the mind. The only difference is cultural, and that changes on a weekly basis. There's no similarity between the culture of London today (or any other town/city in the British Isles) with that of 50 years ago. Culture, whatever that means, is one of the victims of television.
For once, Hollywood has got it right. They portrayed Bill Wallace with a bloke born in Australia who calls himself American and, in the hilariously incorrect Robin Hood, they has a professional scot, Connery, as King Richard who was just about as French as you can get without a string of onions. In other words, we are all interchangeable.
Whatever is the cause of the aggravation between a few people from different areas of this country it is not racial nor even cultural. It's something else entirely.
WOW! ImpressiveThere was no concept of Scotland until the Romans built our first wall and even then it was two countries - highlands and lowlands - and remained that way certainly until 1707. Come to that, there was the Antonine wall which divided the highs and lows and which could have been the border.
Any talk about the differences between the Scots, Welsh, Irish and English has to take acount of the fact that there is no difference in race. You cannot tell genetically where any one person in these isles comes from. It irritates me as a person of supposed mixed 'race' when people start talking of their inheritance. It comes from all over Europe.
There is every possibility that there was a tribe that could be called the celts that lived in northern Europe a couple of thousand years ago, but they were nothing like what we call 'celts'. They were very aryan in appearance. The 'defining' celt characteristic, red hair, is, evidently, a Viking trait.
What it all adds up to, of course, is that any feelings of superiority of the English, Scots, Welsh or Irish over any other part of the country because of any assumed racial characteristics is all in the mind. The only difference is cultural, and that changes on a weekly basis. There's no similarity between the culture of London today (or any other town/city in the British Isles) with that of 50 years ago. Culture, whatever that means, is one of the victims of television.
For once, Hollywood has got it right. They portrayed Bill Wallace with a bloke born in Australia who calls himself American and, in the hilariously incorrect Robin Hood, they has a professional scot, Connery, as King Richard who was just about as French as you can get without a string of onions. In other words, we are all interchangeable.
Whatever is the cause of the aggravation between a few people from different areas of this country it is not racial nor even cultural. It's something else entirely.
What do you think of Lewis Hamilton though..???!
LDNrevs said:
WOW! Impressive
What do you think of Lewis Hamilton though..???!
Impressive. WOW is the word. I would not have dreamed of putting any money on him even after the second race. I thought Alonso would chew him up and spit him out. Regardless of his problems in China, he's shown he has real class.What do you think of Lewis Hamilton though..???!
I've just looked it up just to check.
There is no specific celtish tribe as the term can be applied by modern (well 12 years ago is the publication date of the book) anthropolgists to two different cultural groups. One comes from north western Europe and could be describe more accurately (at least to anthropologists it seems) as nordic. They were blonde, blue-eyed and tall. The 'other' celts are an alpine tribe distributed around south west France, bits of Switzerland and the Tirol. These sported hazel eyes and were a bit shorter but still blondish. Both these tribes where what Hitler referred to as Aryan, for reasons which are not at all clear. Probably not to him either.
There is a theory, not supported by any DNA based research, that the so-called celtish attributes, short, dark, stroppy, were as a result of inbreeding with Mediterranean (sorry if spelt incorrectly) traders that frequented the coastal regions. I have a relation who is called one of the 'black Irish' because, his detractors say, he is descended from the residue of the Spanish Armada washed up on the west coast of Ireland. All rather silly.
I remember quietening a family gathering, no mean feat, by pointing out that St Patrick was, indeed, Welsh or, perhaps, English and that his name came from patrician, a Roman title. It didn't go down too well with the hail-mary brigade.
I had a great interest in anthropology when I was younger and believed all the rubbish I was told by the great and the good. I found out that virually nothing of what I had been taught and read was based on research or evidence; a useful lesson. Much more useful, in fact, than any anthropology lesson.
Political correctness will now pollute anthropological texts as terminology that is felt might upset some group or other is banned, discarded or enforced. I'm told this has already caused a problem with Eskimos who, in some areas, are obliged to be called Innuit despite their protestations that they are Eskimos. Future generations will be as confused as the pc brigade.
There is no specific celtish tribe as the term can be applied by modern (well 12 years ago is the publication date of the book) anthropolgists to two different cultural groups. One comes from north western Europe and could be describe more accurately (at least to anthropologists it seems) as nordic. They were blonde, blue-eyed and tall. The 'other' celts are an alpine tribe distributed around south west France, bits of Switzerland and the Tirol. These sported hazel eyes and were a bit shorter but still blondish. Both these tribes where what Hitler referred to as Aryan, for reasons which are not at all clear. Probably not to him either.
There is a theory, not supported by any DNA based research, that the so-called celtish attributes, short, dark, stroppy, were as a result of inbreeding with Mediterranean (sorry if spelt incorrectly) traders that frequented the coastal regions. I have a relation who is called one of the 'black Irish' because, his detractors say, he is descended from the residue of the Spanish Armada washed up on the west coast of Ireland. All rather silly.
I remember quietening a family gathering, no mean feat, by pointing out that St Patrick was, indeed, Welsh or, perhaps, English and that his name came from patrician, a Roman title. It didn't go down too well with the hail-mary brigade.
I had a great interest in anthropology when I was younger and believed all the rubbish I was told by the great and the good. I found out that virually nothing of what I had been taught and read was based on research or evidence; a useful lesson. Much more useful, in fact, than any anthropology lesson.
Political correctness will now pollute anthropological texts as terminology that is felt might upset some group or other is banned, discarded or enforced. I'm told this has already caused a problem with Eskimos who, in some areas, are obliged to be called Innuit despite their protestations that they are Eskimos. Future generations will be as confused as the pc brigade.
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