Why didn't LH stay is his car
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How come LH got out of his car yesterday? Surely he would have been better to wait for a lift from the tractor (as was the case at the Nurburgring).
Couldn't he have argued that he was stopped in a dangerous place and could thus be moved? After all, they only have gravel traps for this reason.
Couldn't he have argued that he was stopped in a dangerous place and could thus be moved? After all, they only have gravel traps for this reason.
I didn't see the N'burgring race but my understanding is that at N'burg the race was red flagged and as LH had been shifted out of the gravel trap and was running at the time of the red he could take the re-start. I don't think there is provision in F1 for endurance racing type "outside assistance" to be used.
AKA8 said:
How come LH got out of his car yesterday? Surely he would have been better to wait for a lift from the tractor (as was the case at the Nurburgring).
Couldn't he have argued that he was stopped in a dangerous place and could thus be moved? After all, they only have gravel traps for this reason.
The fact that at the 'ring he got back into the race despite having been lifted by the crane was quite controversial within the sport. It was entirely legal, but many felt that it should not have been. It had not happened before, but Hamilton was clever enough to realise that it was possible at the time.Couldn't he have argued that he was stopped in a dangerous place and could thus be moved? After all, they only have gravel traps for this reason.
As a result, a few weeks later the FIA changed the rule. Now, even if your car is in a dangerous position and you have kept the engine ticking over, if you are lifted by the crane, your race is over.
That's what I was going to say Flemke.
What's your take on all the BS flying around about it being a fix - it's hard to accept, despite the clear evidence of Lewis' rear tyres? Why would McLaren leave a car on track with tyres that were worn down so much with the knowledge that they could have got Lewis out again, albeit behind a couple of cars and still win the championship!!?
This all seems crazy...
What's your take on all the BS flying around about it being a fix - it's hard to accept, despite the clear evidence of Lewis' rear tyres? Why would McLaren leave a car on track with tyres that were worn down so much with the knowledge that they could have got Lewis out again, albeit behind a couple of cars and still win the championship!!?
This all seems crazy...
1 said:
When he finally got out of the car there were no marshalls there, they had all been ushered away by their chief marshall.
I think he just got pissed off with trying to explain it to them. It should be all done by numbers like at my local Chinese; 36 = Get the tractor to pull me out.
In that case, would we have seen a... Chinese Takeaway ?I think he just got pissed off with trying to explain it to them. It should be all done by numbers like at my local Chinese; 36 = Get the tractor to pull me out.
flemke said:
AKA8 said:
How come LH got out of his car yesterday? Surely he would have been better to wait for a lift from the tractor (as was the case at the Nurburgring).
Couldn't he have argued that he was stopped in a dangerous place and could thus be moved? After all, they only have gravel traps for this reason.
The fact that at the 'ring he got back into the race despite having been lifted by the crane was quite controversial within the sport. It was entirely legal, but many felt that it should not have been. It had not happened before, but Hamilton was clever enough to realise that it was possible at the time.Couldn't he have argued that he was stopped in a dangerous place and could thus be moved? After all, they only have gravel traps for this reason.
As a result, a few weeks later the FIA changed the rule. Now, even if your car is in a dangerous position and you have kept the engine ticking over, if you are lifted by the crane, your race is over.
I think this rule should be ditched altogether though - if you need external help you should be out of the race - dangerous place or not shouldnt have an impact on if you have to retire or not IMO. I dont really see what it has to do with it!
motormania said:
That's what I was going to say Flemke.
What's your take on all the BS flying around about it being a fix - it's hard to accept, despite the clear evidence of Lewis' rear tyres? Why would McLaren leave a car on track with tyres that were worn down so much with the knowledge that they could have got Lewis out again, albeit behind a couple of cars and still win the championship!!?
This all seems crazy...
I can see why they would want to wait as long as possible but it did seem a little odd that they did not bring him in when he was losing over 5 seconds a lap. What's your take on all the BS flying around about it being a fix - it's hard to accept, despite the clear evidence of Lewis' rear tyres? Why would McLaren leave a car on track with tyres that were worn down so much with the knowledge that they could have got Lewis out again, albeit behind a couple of cars and still win the championship!!?
This all seems crazy...
However it would have all worked out perfectly had he not slid off. No one else seemed to have a problem driving into the pits and he knew how bad his tyres were.
motormania said:
That's what I was going to say Flemke.
What's your take on all the BS flying around about it being a fix - it's hard to accept, despite the clear evidence of Lewis' rear tyres? Why would McLaren leave a car on track with tyres that were worn down so much with the knowledge that they could have got Lewis out again, albeit behind a couple of cars and still win the championship!!?
This all seems crazy...
Not only crazy, but laughable.What's your take on all the BS flying around about it being a fix - it's hard to accept, despite the clear evidence of Lewis' rear tyres? Why would McLaren leave a car on track with tyres that were worn down so much with the knowledge that they could have got Lewis out again, albeit behind a couple of cars and still win the championship!!?
This all seems crazy...
What possible motive would McLaren have for wanting to compromise Hamilton so badly? Would Hamilton have had nothing to say about it?
This imagined conspiracy - are Mercedes and the royal family of Bahrain, who together own 70% of McLaren, in on it?
How about all the other teams - are they agreed all to lie down and let the two Ferraris and two McLarens run over them in Brazil, which this conspiracy would require, if it were a fact?
If I were you, I wouldn't waste much time contemplating it. There must be better things to do - including watching paint dry.
Dennis made it clear yesterday what was their thinking about bringing in Hamilton. It is quoted in an above post in this thread. One may agree or disagree, but it is credible.
Lewis made a tiny, understandable mistake, of failing to adjust mentally for the much more slippery surface of the access road. Small mistake. Easy to make. Impossible to allow for. End of.
Cheers.
Casino said:
1 said:
When he finally got out of the car there were no marshalls there, they had all been ushered away by their chief marshall.
I think he just got pissed off with trying to explain it to them. It should be all done by numbers like at my local Chinese; 36 = Get the tractor to pull me out.
In that case, would we have seen a... Chinese Takeaway ?I think he just got pissed off with trying to explain it to them. It should be all done by numbers like at my local Chinese; 36 = Get the tractor to pull me out.
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