Stewart to sue Max for libel/slander
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Piglet said:
I got a bollocking for raising his family history on another website. Apparently it's not relevant to his bullying, dictatorial behaviour and isn't something that should be discussed...
The subject was not his family history.The subject was major factors in his life that would have shaped his personality, and turned him into the fine man that he has become.
flemke said:
The Mosley picture appears to be:
- Guy who grew up with both his parents amongst the most reviled persons in British history. That is bound to twist a person's mind.
- Appears to believe that he belongs to a race of people who are superior to normal folk who have had to make their way through life.
- Tried to be a racing driver but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart is the greatest living British driver.
QED
You forgot one other thing- Guy who grew up with both his parents amongst the most reviled persons in British history. That is bound to twist a person's mind.
- Appears to believe that he belongs to a race of people who are superior to normal folk who have had to make their way through life.
- Tried to be a racing driver but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart is the greatest living British driver.
QED
- Tried to be a successful team owner but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart put together a credible F1 team on a limited budget without compromising on any aspect (and sold it on at a handsome profit)
rubystone said:
flemke said:
The Mosley picture appears to be:
- Guy who grew up with both his parents amongst the most reviled persons in British history. That is bound to twist a person's mind.
- Appears to believe that he belongs to a race of people who are superior to normal folk who have had to make their way through life.
- Tried to be a racing driver but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart is the greatest living British driver.
QED
You forgot one other thing- Guy who grew up with both his parents amongst the most reviled persons in British history. That is bound to twist a person's mind.
- Appears to believe that he belongs to a race of people who are superior to normal folk who have had to make their way through life.
- Tried to be a racing driver but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart is the greatest living British driver.
QED
- Tried to be a successful team owner but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart put together a credible F1 team on a limited budget without compromising on any aspect (and sold it on at a handsome profit)
Life of achievement v life as scheming bureaucrat.
Loved Damon's quote:
"Not only is it bad manners, it also calls into question the character and judgment of the man who represents motor sport throughout the world through the august institution of the FIA.
"It is conduct most unbecoming of an FIA president and, in my humble view, brought the sport into disrepute, a crime he seems so keen to eradicate."
I do hope Mr Mosley does the honourable thing and steps down.
He is rapidly demonstrating that he has yet to even attain the heights of a half-wit (certified or not). The pompous cretin.
"Not only is it bad manners, it also calls into question the character and judgment of the man who represents motor sport throughout the world through the august institution of the FIA.
"It is conduct most unbecoming of an FIA president and, in my humble view, brought the sport into disrepute, a crime he seems so keen to eradicate."
I do hope Mr Mosley does the honourable thing and steps down.
He is rapidly demonstrating that he has yet to even attain the heights of a half-wit (certified or not). The pompous cretin.
I have read the JYS story and to be honest he can come accross as a rather self agrandising person in a particularly arrogant way. Attributing many qualities or ideas about himself as if he invented the concepts.
He was known around Dumbarton in Scotland where my father was as a bit of a spoilt poseur at the time my father lived there at the same time as JYS.
However thats only a personality trait and has nothing to do with the remarkable achievements he has had with his life and as an ambassador for motorsport in this country I would have him rather than Max any day.
Max is not interested in the British GP at Silverstone or Motorsport history he is only interested in the advertising revenue cigarette manufacturers plough into F1 in the countries where ciggarette advertising is still allowed.
If the advertising works in China for example and chinese people switch brands to the glamorous Malboro for example then by association Max will be responsible for more deaths in china than the whole number of people murdered in the Holocaust.
He was known around Dumbarton in Scotland where my father was as a bit of a spoilt poseur at the time my father lived there at the same time as JYS.
However thats only a personality trait and has nothing to do with the remarkable achievements he has had with his life and as an ambassador for motorsport in this country I would have him rather than Max any day.
Max is not interested in the British GP at Silverstone or Motorsport history he is only interested in the advertising revenue cigarette manufacturers plough into F1 in the countries where ciggarette advertising is still allowed.
If the advertising works in China for example and chinese people switch brands to the glamorous Malboro for example then by association Max will be responsible for more deaths in china than the whole number of people murdered in the Holocaust.
I do think there's a lot of hypocrisy here involving Max. For a very long time, Max was seen as nothing other than a thoroughly good egg and his family history was seen as nothing other than a point of interest, and it certainly was never used against him. When Max took over from Balestre it was seen as the dawn of a new age, (or it certainly was here in Britain).
Now that Max has a viewpoint that doesn't toe the British line he is someone to be reviled and his family history is constantly brought up.
Look, you can't choose your parents, and in any case, Oswald Moseley's views are known to be very similar to that of the Royal Family's at the time, yet we don't constantly attack them.
Max is guilty, in my view, of bringing the sport into disrepute, but lets leave it at that.
One thing that does bother me, is that it often seems that here in Britain our views seem to be always different to those held elsewhere, particularly in Europe. Thing is, we can't *always* be right, it simply isn't possible, there must be some middle ground which just now and then, just to try something new, we could explore.
The difficulty is that our media (including the specialist motor racing) won't publish or report on the other views, thus we all end up thinking the same way and opposing everything that 'Johnny Foreigner' wants to do.
Now that Max has a viewpoint that doesn't toe the British line he is someone to be reviled and his family history is constantly brought up.
Look, you can't choose your parents, and in any case, Oswald Moseley's views are known to be very similar to that of the Royal Family's at the time, yet we don't constantly attack them.
Max is guilty, in my view, of bringing the sport into disrepute, but lets leave it at that.
One thing that does bother me, is that it often seems that here in Britain our views seem to be always different to those held elsewhere, particularly in Europe. Thing is, we can't *always* be right, it simply isn't possible, there must be some middle ground which just now and then, just to try something new, we could explore.
The difficulty is that our media (including the specialist motor racing) won't publish or report on the other views, thus we all end up thinking the same way and opposing everything that 'Johnny Foreigner' wants to do.
I do think MM’s upbringing and beliefs are part of his make up, I know you can’t chose your parents however you can distance yourself from them and say I don’t agree. MM did not do that and actually campaigned for his father in two elections. (Not the actions of a man distancing himself) He has to my knowledge never come out and said I was wrong or apologised for his unsavoury beliefs.
His actions now are those of a despot and I never thought he was a good egg, but one that was always rather rotten and just one of Bernie’s flunkies. As for our motor sport media, they have a right to report from a British perspective, and if you take time to read other media, British or otherwise you will find that very little is complementary to the FIA, other than the Italians, but that is hardly surprising.
However I do agree with you that MM has brought the sport into disrepute, and for that he must resign.
His actions now are those of a despot and I never thought he was a good egg, but one that was always rather rotten and just one of Bernie’s flunkies. As for our motor sport media, they have a right to report from a British perspective, and if you take time to read other media, British or otherwise you will find that very little is complementary to the FIA, other than the Italians, but that is hardly surprising.
However I do agree with you that MM has brought the sport into disrepute, and for that he must resign.
Edited by PJS917 on Wednesday 10th October 08:50
Heebeegeetee said:
I do think there's a lot of hypocrisy here involving Max. For a very long time, Max was seen as nothing other than a thoroughly good egg and his family history was seen as nothing other than a point of interest, and it certainly was never used against him. When Max took over from Balestre it was seen as the dawn of a new age, (or it certainly was here in Britain).
Now that Max has a viewpoint that doesn't toe the British line he is someone to be reviled and his family history is constantly brought up.
Look, you can't choose your parents, and in any case, Oswald Moseley's views are known to be very similar to that of the Royal Family's at the time, yet we don't constantly attack them.
Max is guilty, in my view, of bringing the sport into disrepute, but lets leave it at that.
I think the reality is that most people have no idea of Max's heritage or any decent knowledge of the second world war and the events that surround it. I do agree though that we should not get into a "sins of the father" type issue. Now that Max has a viewpoint that doesn't toe the British line he is someone to be reviled and his family history is constantly brought up.
Look, you can't choose your parents, and in any case, Oswald Moseley's views are known to be very similar to that of the Royal Family's at the time, yet we don't constantly attack them.
Max is guilty, in my view, of bringing the sport into disrepute, but lets leave it at that.
BUT I abhor the "don't mention the war" hands in the air type reaction to a discussion point that, as Flemke says is about recognising that we are all shaped by our life experiences and by those people who surround us.
Damon is compared to his father, Jacque is compared to his father and young Freddie Hunt to James, Bruno Senna is even compared to his uncle Ayrton and nobody objects to that.
In this case the subject matter may be unpalatable, it is part of all of our history though.
I'm not saying it needs to be discussed, I'm saying it should not be an embargoed subject of which comment is regarded as a "cheap shot".
The same old cliches do get a bit tired though:
Max Mosley has done something we disgree with. Ah well that will be beacuse he is a nazi, just look at his dad.
The FIA has done something we disgree with. Ah well that is because they all love Ferrari and it is run by a nazi.
Ferrari have won a race. Ah that is because they are helped to cheat by the FIA which, incidentally, is run by a nazi.
Mclaren have won a race. Well that is beacuse St Ron of Woking has bravely fought against the evil nazis. Incidentally, Fernando Alonso is from Spain where Franco came from. He was a nazi too. That must be why Fernando is trying to destroy the church, sorry, Mclaren.
It may just be possible that not everything Mosley, the FIA and Ferrari do is fundamentally attributable to the leader of the British fascist movement of sixty years ago. Perhaps Mosley just says stupid things because he is a nasty little git. Is it of any real relevance that his dad was a nasty little git too?Anyway surely we know who is really in charge and pulling the strings.
Ecllestone & Mosley in conference yesterday:
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Max Mosley has done something we disgree with. Ah well that will be beacuse he is a nazi, just look at his dad.
The FIA has done something we disgree with. Ah well that is because they all love Ferrari and it is run by a nazi.
Ferrari have won a race. Ah that is because they are helped to cheat by the FIA which, incidentally, is run by a nazi.
Mclaren have won a race. Well that is beacuse St Ron of Woking has bravely fought against the evil nazis. Incidentally, Fernando Alonso is from Spain where Franco came from. He was a nazi too. That must be why Fernando is trying to destroy the church, sorry, Mclaren.
It may just be possible that not everything Mosley, the FIA and Ferrari do is fundamentally attributable to the leader of the British fascist movement of sixty years ago. Perhaps Mosley just says stupid things because he is a nasty little git. Is it of any real relevance that his dad was a nasty little git too?Anyway surely we know who is really in charge and pulling the strings.
Ecllestone & Mosley in conference yesterday:
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Edited by rustybin on Wednesday 10th October 09:51
Piglet said:
SplatSpeed said:
Piglet said:
rustybin said:
Anyone else get the impression the Damon has got him self a ghost-writer? I agree completely with his sentiments but they just seem a little more erudite than usual.
I dunno but it's great! I love his use of "bad mannered" what a dreadfully evocative picture it builds and its all the better for coming from someone like Damon with his heritage within the sport. max has grown up and is more like his farther every day bad thing
PJS917 said:
I do think MM’s upbringing and beliefs are part of his make up, I know you can’t chose your parents however you can distance yourself from them and say I don’t agree. MM did not do that and actually campaigned for his father in two elections. (Not the actions of a man distancing himself) He has to my knowledge never come out and said I was wrong or apologised for his unsavoury beliefs.
His actions now are those of a despot and I never thought he was a good egg, but one that was always rather rotten and just one of Bernie’s flunkies. As for our motor sport media, they have a right to report from a British perspective, and if you take time to read other media, British or otherwise you will find that very little is complementary to the FIA, other than the Italians, but that is hardly surprising.
However I do agree with you that MM has brought the sport into disrepute, and for that he must resign.
i am sorry but as a "Certified half wit" he is attacking the fact my farther gave me this conditionHis actions now are those of a despot and I never thought he was a good egg, but one that was always rather rotten and just one of Bernie’s flunkies. As for our motor sport media, they have a right to report from a British perspective, and if you take time to read other media, British or otherwise you will find that very little is complementary to the FIA, other than the Italians, but that is hardly surprising.
However I do agree with you that MM has brought the sport into disrepute, and for that he must resign.
Edited by PJS917 on Wednesday 10th October 08:50
therefore after calling my parentage into question he is fare game for a kicking from my jack boots
Piglet said:
Chocmonster said:
Having read Damons letter I wondered if a lot of what he was saying came from him being the Father of a son with Down's Syndrome and knowing how cruel other people can be.
Daughter I think http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/artic...
Chocmonster said:
Piglet said:
Chocmonster said:
Having read Damons letter I wondered if a lot of what he was saying came from him being the Father of a son with Down's Syndrome and knowing how cruel other people can be.
Daughter I think http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/artic...
flemke said:
rubystone said:
flemke said:
The Mosley picture appears to be:
- Guy who grew up with both his parents amongst the most reviled persons in British history. That is bound to twist a person's mind.
- Appears to believe that he belongs to a race of people who are superior to normal folk who have had to make their way through life.
- Tried to be a racing driver but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart is the greatest living British driver.
QED
You forgot one other thing- Guy who grew up with both his parents amongst the most reviled persons in British history. That is bound to twist a person's mind.
- Appears to believe that he belongs to a race of people who are superior to normal folk who have had to make their way through life.
- Tried to be a racing driver but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart is the greatest living British driver.
QED
- Tried to be a successful team owner but failed, whilst, in contrast, Jackie Stewart put together a credible F1 team on a limited budget without compromising on any aspect (and sold it on at a handsome profit)
Life of achievement v life as scheming bureaucrat.
he would fit right in 
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