Stewart to sue Max for libel/slander

[Heebeegeetee]

PJS917 said:

1) I do think MM’s upbringing and beliefs are part of his make up,



2) His actions now are those of a despot and I never thought he was a good egg, but one that was always rather rotten and just one of Bernie’s flunkies.

3) As for our motor sport media, they have a right to report from a British perspective,

1) Ok fine, but I'd just remind you all, or for those who don't know, that for at least 30 years (late sixties to late nineties) Max was very definitely 'one of us' and always seen a s a Thoroughly Good Thing. So really, we need to know which part is his parents responsible for? The 30+ years as a goddie or the half dozen or so as a baddie?

2) He's only been one of Bernies flunkies for the last few years, he certainly hasn't always been one. And I tell all of you, if you think F1 is bad now, wait til Bernies gone. Then you'll find out how bad it can get. I am always amazed at how people view the past with rose tinted specs so thick theat they're opaque. I mean, there are few here who can *remember* what F1 was like pre-Bernie. I can go back quite a way, and the truth is that this year is as good as it gets. I'd say that probably every aspect of this year has been excellent, apart from the FIA doing their best to everything up.

3) I wish our media would project a more open view. Denis Jenkinson (DSJ of MotorSport) was possibly the only British journalist ever who accurately reported the F1 scene. I don't think anyone has been as good as he was, not even ( or perhaps especially) Nigel Roebuck. DSJ would tour Europe in his Porsche 356 or E Type Jag or whatever, would spend long periods of time out of the country, and so readers got a truly international outlook on the scene.

[flemke]

Heebeegeetee said:

PJS917 said:

1) I do think MM’s upbringing and beliefs are part of his make up,



2) His actions now are those of a despot and I never thought he was a good egg, but one that was always rather rotten and just one of Bernie’s flunkies.

3) As for our motor sport media, they have a right to report from a British perspective,

1) Ok fine, but I'd just remind you all, or for those who don't know, that for at least 30 years (late sixties to late nineties) Max was very definitely 'one of us' and always seen a s a Thoroughly Good Thing. So really, we need to know which part is his parents responsible for? The 30+ years as a goddie or the half dozen or so as a baddie?

2) He's only been one of Bernies flunkies for the last few years, he certainly hasn't always been one. And I tell all of you, if you think F1 is bad now, wait til Bernies gone. Then you'll find out how bad it can get. I am always amazed at how people view the past with rose tinted specs so thick theat they're opaque. I mean, there are few here who can *remember* what F1 was like pre-Bernie. I can go back quite a way, and the truth is that this year is as good as it gets. I'd say that probably every aspect of this year has been excellent, apart from the FIA doing their best to everything up.

3) I wish our media would project a more open view. Denis Jenkinson (DSJ of MotorSport) was possibly the only British journalist ever who accurately reported the F1 scene. I don't think anyone has been as good as he was, not even ( or perhaps especially) Nigel Roebuck. DSJ would tour Europe in his Porsche 356 or E Type Jag or whatever, would spend long periods of time out of the country, and so readers got a truly international outlook on the scene.

HeeBGT,

Comments on just a couple of your points:

WRT whether Max has been Bernie's flunkie for only a few years, it was Max who gave Bernie one of the most outrageous sweetheart deals in commercial history - a non-competitive, one hundred year contract with the FIA for the rights to organise, promote and own and control media rights to Formula One races.
IIRC, he gave that to Bernie ten years ago.

WRT how and when the worm turned, my sense has always been that he was in bed with Bernie. They have consistently helped each other. In the earlier days Bernie seemed to have more relative power, whilst these days Max definitely has the upper hand.
Paul Stoddart recently said that, when he was starting out with Minardi, Max suported him in a number of ways. Stoddart went on to say that, however, in 2004 Max seemed suddenly to change. Both his attitude and his actions took on a decidedly different colour.
2004 was the year when the manufacturers started to focus their effort to wrest F1 away from the FIA and FOM's authoritarian, self-serving control. It would not surprise me if it was this potentially devastating challenge to Max's position that turned him into the present, extreme version of himself.

The time when I personally began to loathe Mosley was when, in about 2000, he tried to persuade the EU to mandate speed limiters in all road cars. At that point it seemed clear to me that this guy was a would-be dictator who could never be trusted.

[minimatt1967]

Mr Mosely is hardly being what one might call Proffessional?

I think i may have entered myself for understatement of the year?!?

[johnnywb]

I hope Jackie pursues this and shows MM for the he is.

The sooner he is disposed of, the better.

[andyps]

Heebeegeetee said:

2) He's only been one of Bernies flunkies for the last few years, he certainly hasn't always been one. And I tell all of you, if you think F1 is bad now, wait til Bernies gone. Then you'll find out how bad it can get. I am always amazed at how people view the past with rose tinted specs so thick theat they're opaque. I mean, there are few here who can *remember* what F1 was like pre-Bernie. I can go back quite a way, and the truth is that this year is as good as it gets. I'd say that probably every aspect of this year has been excellent, apart from the FIA doing their best to everything up.

Most reports I have seen suggest that Max and Bernie buddied up when they both owned F1 teams. It was certainly Bernie who was the major funding contributor to Max's campaign to take over the Presidency of the FIA, and the return Bernie got was pretty massive. It started with little things like suggestingto the FIA that their President should have a private plane to get around in, once they agreed to this Bernie then did a deal on a plane he happened to be wanting to sell, and eventually he got the rights to F1 for 100 years in a closed deal. I think Max has been a flunky of Bernie for quite a few years, although they both benefit from each other.

[mattikake]

If he won't resign and can't be sacked, there is simply only one other alternative... he must be assassinated.

I'm sure I could setup a website so the people could donate for a professional hit to be done on him. Called donatefordeath.com or freef1.com or something.

[mark69sheer]

HeeBeeGeeTee

Please in my politest and friendliest voice and with as much sincerity and cameraderie I can muster honestly.

Read this book:-
[url]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pits-Real-World-Formula-On...

It opened my eyes a loooong looooonnnggggg way.
despite what seemed to be a dull read it was in fact one of those books you just can't put down.

please enjoy..

and its not re Max in particular but it certainly gives you a new perspective on F1 and by some margin.

[shoestring7]

Heebeegeetee said:

Sensible stuff about Max's parents

There's an awful lot of cheap shots here about Max's perentage. His mother, Diana Guiness nee Mitford was one of the most beautiful and spirited women in England.

But that doesn't make Max a babe either.

SS7

[flemke]

shoestring7 said:

Heebeegeetee said:

Sensible stuff about Max's parents

There's an awful lot of cheap shots here about Max's perentage. His mother, Diana Guiness nee Mitford was one of the most beautiful and spirited women in England.

But that doesn't make Max a babe either.

SS7

No, but if he were to dress the way she did, he'd be a sort of girl.

[stockhatcher]

here's a question.

does anybody know with certainty, the marital status of Max Mosley. I know that Bernie is married, JYS, RD etc etc are all married, and yet i cannot find any info on MM

tia.

edited to add : just wonder if he is single and that this is the cause of his 'madness'

Edited by stockhatcher on Wednesday 10th October 20:23

[Derek Smith]

shoestring7 said:

Heebeegeetee said:

Sensible stuff about Max's parents

There's an awful lot of cheap shots here about Max's perentage. His mother, Diana Guiness nee Mitford was one of the most beautiful and spirited women in England.

But that doesn't make Max a babe either.

SS7

Beautiful she certainly was but as much a faschist as her husband. Even after the war and the revelations of the extermination camps she still pushed it. My whole family were a bit left-wing and I had uncles who fought in the Spanish Civil War against Franco. Mitford epitomised everything that they felt was wrong with the class system between the wars. She was really quite repulsive in everything but her appearance. It was the opinion of the political activists in my family that Ozzy Mosley was 'tuppence short of a shilling' whereas Mitford was just evil. (For those who don't know what tuppence, or indeed a shilling, was, go ask some poor people.)

I acknowledge that I have been prejudiced against her by my early upbringing but everything I've read about her since tends to support what I was told. She was great mates with Eddy and Wallace Simpson (that's not the one with the blue hair) another pair of faschist sympathisers.

Certainly a looker with a good body. Spirited? Not that I'm aware. But for everything else, I'll go with my family and say that she was a nasty bit of work.

[flemke]

Derek Smith said:

Certainly a looker with a good body. Spirited? Not that I'm aware. But for everything else, I'll go with my family and say that she was a nasty bit of work.

Perhaps worth a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Mitford

Not many people were married in Josef Goebbels' library, with Hitler attending as special guest.

[Piglet]

shoestring7 said:

Heebeegeetee said:

Sensible stuff about Max's parents

There's an awful lot of cheap shots here about Max's perentage. His mother, Diana Guiness nee Mitford was one of the most beautiful and spirited women in England.

But that doesn't make Max a babe either.

SS7

[sigh] this is what really irritates me, I haven't seen any cheap shots (well only the jackboot comment!), what I've seen is a very small amount of sensible discussion about established historical facts - not speculation, well documented facts that shaped the world that we live in.

I really really don't understand why even mention of "it" draws accusations of cheap shots

[jamieboy]

Piglet][sigh said:

this is what really irritates me, I haven't seen any cheap shots (well only the jackboot comment!), what I've seen is a very small amount of sensible discussion about established historical facts

I'm surprised you haven't seen the many cheap shots - the second post on this thread is not atypical.

[flemke]

jamieboy said:

Piglet][sigh said:

this is what really irritates me, I haven't seen any cheap shots (well only the jackboot comment!), what I've seen is a very small amount of sensible discussion about established historical facts

I'm surprised you haven't seen the many cheap shots - the second post on this thread is not atypical.

One does not have to look far to find cheap shots coming from Mosley himself. Indeed, one of his more recent ones is the very subject of this thread.
There is a considerable difference, however, between casual statements made by an unknown user on one of the world's millions of internet forums, and the official statements made by the President of the world's governing body for motor sport.

[Derek Smith]

flemke said:

Perhaps worth a read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Mitford

Wikipedia said:

[Diana Mitford] was the daughter of David Bertram Ogilvy Freeman-Mitford, 2nd Baron Redesdale (son of Algernon Freeman-Mitford, 1st Baron Redesdale) and his wife, Sydney, daughter of Thomas Gibson Bowles, MP. Diana was born in Belgravia and raised at the Mitford family home, Asthall Manor, in Oxfordshire. She was educated there by a series of governesses except for a six month period in 1926 when she was sent to a day school in Paris.

Shortly after her introduction to society at age 18 she met, and became secretly engaged to Bryan Walter Guinness, an Irish aristocrat, writer and brewing heir who would inherit the barony of Moyne. Her parents were initially opposed to the match but in time were persuaded. The marriage on January 30, 1929, was the society marriage of the year.

The couple had an income of £20,000 a year, an estate, Biddesden in Hampshire, and houses in London and Dublin.

Not much of a struggle for her. I like the fact that her family objected to her marrying a millionaire who would be a baron. Probably because he was Irish?

I suppose that, given her upbringing, her wierd and polluted (to use one of her son's favourite words) opinions are, although not forgivable, at least probably inevitable. She obviously thought she was somehow special.

And to think that her family and fellow aristocrats were, to all intents and purposes, the rulers of this country until after WWI.

No wonder my family disliked her. Sprited? No. Spirtually barren? Yes.

flemke said:

Not many people were married in Josef Goebbels' library, with Hitler attending as special guest.

Oh, hello Addy, love. I'm afraid we've had to put you next to the pope cause you didn't let us know you were coming, you naughty boy. You won't want to make a speech, will you? The main course is pork. Are you allowed to eat that in your religion? And no invading Poland until after the cake is cut, there's a dear.

Edited by Derek Smith on Thursday 11th October 08:51

[PJS917]

If I appear to have made cheap shots at MM it was unintentional, I would hate to think I have stooped to his level.