Disgusted with Alonso
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Ron Dennis has not exactly been whiter than white this year - so don't throw all the shite onto Alonso's head.
Ron kept on saying that he had nothing to hide and that McLaren had not used any data from the documents or communications Mike and Nigel had, yet the evidence shown to the FIA clearly shows that others within McLaren did use data, to what extend we will probably never know.
I hope that Alonso or Kimi wins, quote]
It's not often I disagree with such a passion, but what utter cr@p. So you actually KNOW that the data was used, do you? Used in exactly what fashion, may I ask? Please do tell me, as I'm keen to know your level of knowledge on this.
My points -
1/Alonso has been beaten by a better driver. 2/ He is acting like a spoilt child because he hasn't had his own way. 3/ he simply doesn't desrve to win the title after the stunts he has pulled this season.
I am not a Brit, nor a Spaniard. I love F1 and am sickened by the whole saga this season, however Alonso is worthy of nothing more than a mid field drive or gardening leave next year.The little w@nker needs to be taught a lesson.
Ron Dennis has not exactly been whiter than white this year - so don't throw all the shite onto Alonso's head.
Ron kept on saying that he had nothing to hide and that McLaren had not used any data from the documents or communications Mike and Nigel had, yet the evidence shown to the FIA clearly shows that others within McLaren did use data, to what extend we will probably never know.
I hope that Alonso or Kimi wins, quote]
It's not often I disagree with such a passion, but what utter cr@p. So you actually KNOW that the data was used, do you? Used in exactly what fashion, may I ask? Please do tell me, as I'm keen to know your level of knowledge on this.
My points -
1/Alonso has been beaten by a better driver. 2/ He is acting like a spoilt child because he hasn't had his own way. 3/ he simply doesn't desrve to win the title after the stunts he has pulled this season.
I am not a Brit, nor a Spaniard. I love F1 and am sickened by the whole saga this season, however Alonso is worthy of nothing more than a mid field drive or gardening leave next year.The little w@nker needs to be taught a lesson.
How long into next season will we have to wait before Hamilton's war with his new team-mate bubbles to the surface? Whoever it is. And guess whose fault it will be, and which side the British press will take. And the same the next year.
Alonso is a great and sporting F1 driver. The people who denigrate him on here at best do not know what they are talking about.
And by and large I am a Kimi fan. Pure speed, total bravery, no politics.
Then Button. The third best driver in F1 today after Kimi and Alonso. He has overtaken more people this year than anyone else.
Alonso is a great and sporting F1 driver. The people who denigrate him on here at best do not know what they are talking about.
And by and large I am a Kimi fan. Pure speed, total bravery, no politics.
Then Button. The third best driver in F1 today after Kimi and Alonso. He has overtaken more people this year than anyone else.
mattikake said:
Heebeegeetee said:
mattikake said:
I think that's more like the British media loves a loser... and the British public hate a cheating 
as opposed to 'win-at-all-costs merchant'? 
Pick your side of the fence...
So who's cheating? I wasn't aware there was any real cheating as such, going on, and I would remind you to think of which team has been found guilty of cheating, and that Lewis was investigated after Japan. as opposed to 'win-at-all-costs merchant'? Pick your side of the fence... Anyway, LH was found innocent of the safety car incident, so OFFICIALLY he wasn't cheating.
Well, I think they should all grow up and stop running to the press every time they don't like something. This is a big boys game, if you don't like it go & drive a Spyker or a taxi or something.
Does Alonso deserve to win the championship? No, because he's tried to screw over his team, while being treated (as far as I'm aware) totally even handed. He's made too many unforced errors over the course of the year trying to chase his (rookie) team-mate. Target fixation is a terrible thing. He's acting like a spoiled brat too, but that's beside the point.
Does Hamilton deserve to win the championship? Honestly, I think yes. It's agreed he played no part in the Ferrari secrets debacle. He's driven pretty much flawlessly all year. He's made a 2 time champion look a bit ordinary. He's done some running to the press, granted, but only after the Ferrari debacle kicked off and it was gloves off anyway.
Does Raikkonen deserve to win the title? Yes. He's kept his head down, raced hard when he could and not gone running to the tabloids every other day.
Quite honestly, I tink whoever wins it this year, it will always be tainted for me. Just too much crap flying around outside the track having affected on-track action. The FIA are far too self-important and too big for their boots. They should just let them get on with it and stop giving out stupid grid penalties for nonsensical wrong-doings.
Also, take mirrors off the cars to stop all of this stupid blocking that goes on.
Does Alonso deserve to win the championship? No, because he's tried to screw over his team, while being treated (as far as I'm aware) totally even handed. He's made too many unforced errors over the course of the year trying to chase his (rookie) team-mate. Target fixation is a terrible thing. He's acting like a spoiled brat too, but that's beside the point.
Does Hamilton deserve to win the championship? Honestly, I think yes. It's agreed he played no part in the Ferrari secrets debacle. He's driven pretty much flawlessly all year. He's made a 2 time champion look a bit ordinary. He's done some running to the press, granted, but only after the Ferrari debacle kicked off and it was gloves off anyway.
Does Raikkonen deserve to win the title? Yes. He's kept his head down, raced hard when he could and not gone running to the tabloids every other day.
Quite honestly, I tink whoever wins it this year, it will always be tainted for me. Just too much crap flying around outside the track having affected on-track action. The FIA are far too self-important and too big for their boots. They should just let them get on with it and stop giving out stupid grid penalties for nonsensical wrong-doings.
Also, take mirrors off the cars to stop all of this stupid blocking that goes on.
coetzeeh said:
mattikake said:
Heebeegeetee said:
mattikake said:
I think that's more like the British media loves a loser... and the British public hate a cheating as opposed to 'win-at-all-costs merchant'? Pick your side of the fence...
So who's cheating? I wasn't aware there was any real cheating as such, going on, and I would remind you to think of which team has been found guilty of cheating, and that Lewis was investigated after Japan. as opposed to 'win-at-all-costs merchant'? Pick your side of the fence... Anyway, LH was found innocent of the safety car incident, so OFFICIALLY he wasn't cheating.
Blatant - as in taking out Hill in '94 and Villeneuve in '97 for two immediate examples. Obvious attempts to cheat. Geddit?
Although now that you open up this angle of attack, having the FIA wrapped round his little finger and his contract for guaranteed number 1 status in the team could be considered borderline cheating in the form of gamesmanship, and was actually continual, per se.
Edited by mattikake on Friday 12th October 09:14
Edited by mattikake on Friday 12th October 09:23
[quote=5.0%]How long into next season will we have to wait before Hamilton's war with his new team-mate bubbles to the surface? Whoever it is. And guess whose fault it will be, and which side the British press will take. And the same the next year.
Alonso is a great and sporting F1 driver. The people who denigrate him on here at best do not know what they are talking about.
And by and large I am a Kimi fan. Pure speed, total bravery, no politics.
Then Button. The third best driver in F1 today after Kimi and Alonso. He has overtaken more people this year than anyone else.
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Welcome Mr Alonso to pistonheads. I would like to see Button and Hamilton in the McLaren for next year.
Bennno
Alonso is a great and sporting F1 driver. The people who denigrate him on here at best do not know what they are talking about.
And by and large I am a Kimi fan. Pure speed, total bravery, no politics.
Then Button. The third best driver in F1 today after Kimi and Alonso. He has overtaken more people this year than anyone else.
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Welcome Mr Alonso to pistonheads. I would like to see Button and Hamilton in the McLaren for next year.
Bennno
[quote=5.0% ] And guess whose fault it will be, and which side the British press will take.
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Would that be the side of a British driver perchance? Just like the Spanish press favour a Spanish driver?
I wonder, what side do you think the British press should've taken during WWII? Just trying to establish your level of insanity, no barney...
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Would that be the side of a British driver perchance? Just like the Spanish press favour a Spanish driver?
I wonder, what side do you think the British press should've taken during WWII? Just trying to establish your level of insanity, no barney...
Conian said:
Hobbit123 said:
Also, take mirrors off the cars to stop all of this stupid blocking that goes on.
If they did that, how would the notice if their rear tire had delaminated?... Oh yeah.If proper defensive driving was allowed, like it is in every other type of racing, F1 would be so much more exciting.
Heebeegeetee said:
Conian said:
Hobbit123 said:
Also, take mirrors off the cars to stop all of this stupid blocking that goes on.
If they did that, how would the notice if their rear tire had delaminated?... Oh yeah.If proper defensive driving was allowed, like it is in every other type of racing, F1 would be so much more exciting.
You'd also have to have all the cars built like tanks to take the impacts that would be inevitable. The idea is that these guys are 'racing' not stopping each other from going past. You would basically end up with bumper cars and, if you want that, go & watch world touring cars. Can you imagine getting a Spyker up front, weaving down the track and stopping everyone passing, legally? How exciting would that be? Wow, I can hardly wait...
You can't allow open wheel racing cars to block all the time or you'd end up with one going airborne and potentially killing lots of people when the bits of it came down. Take a look at MotoGP, World Superbikes, British Superbikes, etc for how it should be done. Although the vehicles are much thinner and therefore easier to pass, they don't have mirrors. There's no blocking of note going on and, personally, I feel the racing is better as a result.
The sooner this 'one move' thing dies too, the better the racing will be. Let's see what happens if a 'no-move' rule is introduced. Any unexplained deviation from the normal racing line by a car being passed should be explained and, if no good reason is given within 3 laps, a drive-through penalty is given. That would stop it pretty quick.
Then you'd just have to be faster, not better at driving with your mirrors.Luxury!
A large part of racecraft is defensive placement of the car, you are off your head if you want that to be outlawed.
The only issue with the current racing is the reliance on aero grip with one line on the circuit being quickest. Thats why the wet races are so good, you have multiple lines to use. If they reduced the aero reliance and it's disadvantage whilst following a car through a corner, which they are doing in 2009, you will get more racing.
It's not suposed to be easy to overtake, if everyone sailed past each other all the time it wouldnt be half as interesting as a proper fight with a few overtaking moves that took some skill to achieve.
The only issue with the current racing is the reliance on aero grip with one line on the circuit being quickest. Thats why the wet races are so good, you have multiple lines to use. If they reduced the aero reliance and it's disadvantage whilst following a car through a corner, which they are doing in 2009, you will get more racing.
It's not suposed to be easy to overtake, if everyone sailed past each other all the time it wouldnt be half as interesting as a proper fight with a few overtaking moves that took some skill to achieve.
It's not getting any better either!!
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=4102...
Alonso flies to Italy for "talks" with prosecutors....
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=4102...
Alonso flies to Italy for "talks" with prosecutors....
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