FIA Interferance

[megy]

Have a look here for the story, the FIA are appointing a seperate scrutineer for Mclaren for the next race to ensure equality for the drivers, seems total overkill to me, but with Alonso the whinger it might be best, especially if/when LH wins so that he cannot claim he was cheated by the team like he already has done.

[woof]

FFS !!!!

please, please let Lewis win the 2007 Driver's Champs

[tank slapper]

Mosely has it in for Ron Dennis. I can see there being some minor percieved infringement being used to exclude McLaren from next year. Mosely has already stated that is what he wanted before.

[10 Pence Short]

World Motor Sport Council said:

After careful consideration of new evidence in the McLaren spy case, the WMSC have decided to impose the penalty of exclusion of McLaren from the 2008 Formula 1 World Championship.

New evidence, which was brought to light by the FIA at the 2007 Brizillian Grand Prix, clearly indicates that McLaren driver Fenando Alonso was unfairly penalised by the team, in such a way that he was prevented from winning the world championship.

Evidence given by Fernando Alonso to this council, has made clear that he wanted Robinsons Orange & Pineapple Barley Water in his race car drinks bottle. Independent tests have concluded that McLaren in fact provided Happy Shopper Orange and Grapefruit.

[jesusbuiltmycar]

megy said:

Have a look here for the story, the FIA are appointing a seperate scrutineer for Mclaren for the next race to ensure equality for the drivers, seems total overkill to me, but with Alonso the whinger it might be best, especially if/when LH wins so that he cannot claim he was cheated by the team like he already has done.

But other teams are allowed to have a number 1 and number 2 driver....

[castrolcraig]

jesusbuiltmycar said:

megy said:

Have a look here for the story, the FIA are appointing a seperate scrutineer for Mclaren for the next race to ensure equality for the drivers, seems total overkill to me, but with Alonso the whinger it might be best, especially if/when LH wins so that he cannot claim he was cheated by the team like he already has done.

But other teams are allowed to have a number 1 and number 2 driver....

but obviously by having a No1 and No2 driver mcmerc would be copying ferrari.........

i really hope alonso runs into the 1st corner too hot and lands himself in the gravel....

[Ahonen]

So the independent observer is from the Spanish federation. Hmm.

Would it not have been better to put, say, a Swede or an American in there, for example?

[_Batty_]

you know, some days i wish they'd just step back, and have a look at how they've (Max, the Spantard and Ferrari international assistance) ruined the best season in decades.
pathetic.

[jamieboy]

jesusbuiltmycar said:

megy said:

Have a look here for the story, the FIA are appointing a seperate scrutineer for Mclaren for the next race to ensure equality for the drivers, seems total overkill to me, but with Alonso the whinger it might be best, especially if/when LH wins so that he cannot claim he was cheated by the team like he already has done.

But other teams are allowed to have a number 1 and number 2 driver....

Sure, but the point is that McLaren allegedly don't. After FA gave his evidence to the FIA, they said they would take a dim view of the team doing anything to disadvantage him. He seems to think he maybe is being disadvantaged, so they're putting someone in place to try and keep an eye on everything.

It's not about having a number 1 and number 2, it's about deliberately disadvantaging one of your drivers to 'teach him a lesson'. I expect the FIA will find that McLaren is not doing any such thing.

[10 Pence Short]

jamieboy said:

jesusbuiltmycar said:

megy said:

Have a look here for the story, the FIA are appointing a seperate scrutineer for Mclaren for the next race to ensure equality for the drivers, seems total overkill to me, but with Alonso the whinger it might be best, especially if/when LH wins so that he cannot claim he was cheated by the team like he already has done.

But other teams are allowed to have a number 1 and number 2 driver....

Sure, but the point is that McLaren allegedly don't. After FA gave his evidence to the FIA, they said they would take a dim view of the team doing anything to disadvantage him. He seems to think he maybe is being disadvantaged, so they're putting someone in place to try and keep an eye on everything.

It's not about having a number 1 and number 2, it's about deliberately disadvantaging one of your drivers to 'teach him a lesson'. I expect the FIA will find that McLaren is not doing any such thing.

So what evidence do the FIA have to justify enhanced suspicion? I seem to remember Alonso beating Hamilton at Spa, trashing it all by himself at Fuji and beating Hamilton in China. Hardly the stuff of McLaren malpractice, is it?

[jamieboy]

Ahonen said:

So the independent observer is from the Spanish federation. Hmm.

Where does it say that? As I read it...
"With McLaren already having issued a statement to make it clear that both Alonso and Hamilton will have equal chances of winning the title, the FIA is to ensure such a state of affairs by using a separate scrutineer for the Woking-based team at the Interlagos event.

The news was revealed by the head of the Spanish motorsport federation Carlos Gracia, who will also be attending the event on a personal invitation from McLaren boss Ron Dennis"

...Gracia said that there will be a separate scrutineer for McLaren, and that he (Gracia) will be there too. I don't see anywhere in that article that it states the nationality of the scrutineer.

[tank slapper]

Ahonen said:

So the independent observer is from the Spanish federation. Hmm.

Would it not have been better to put, say, a Swede or an American in there, for example?

The spanish bloke is from their motorsport organisation. He isn't going to be the additional scrutineer, he's just commenting on it.

[jamieboy]

10 Pence Short said:

So what evidence do the FIA have to justify enhanced suspicion? I seem to remember Alonso beating Hamilton at Spa, trashing it all by himself at Fuji and beating Hamilton in China. Hardly the stuff of McLaren malpractice, is it?

In China, I seem to remember Alonso being quicker than LH in Q1 and Q2, then (relatively) way off the pace in Q3. Alonso seems to be suggesting this was down to foul play, and although I'd be surprised if it was, the FIA are keeping an eye on it.

[Piglet]

jamieboy said:

10 Pence Short said:

So what evidence do the FIA have to justify enhanced suspicion? I seem to remember Alonso beating Hamilton at Spa, trashing it all by himself at Fuji and beating Hamilton in China. Hardly the stuff of McLaren malpractice, is it?

In China, I seem to remember Alonso being quicker than LH in Q1 and Q2, then (relatively) way off the pace in Q3. Alonso seems to be suggesting this was down to foul play, and although I'd be surprised if it was, the FIA are keeping an eye on it.

IIRC, FA didn't go slower, LH went quicker?

[jamieboy]

Piglet said:

jamieboy said:

In China, I seem to remember Alonso being quicker than LH in Q1 and Q2, then (relatively) way off the pace in Q3. Alonso seems to be suggesting this was down to foul play, and although I'd be surprised if it was, the FIA are keeping an eye on it.

IIRC, FA didn't go slower, LH went quicker?

Whichever, I think FA went slower than he expected to, and the FIA is only trying to ensure that it was just due to lack of talent, rather than compromised equipment.

[jesusbuiltmycar]

Piglet said:

jamieboy said:

10 Pence Short said:

So what evidence do the FIA have to justify enhanced suspicion? I seem to remember Alonso beating Hamilton at Spa, trashing it all by himself at Fuji and beating Hamilton in China. Hardly the stuff of McLaren malpractice, is it?

In China, I seem to remember Alonso being quicker than LH in Q1 and Q2, then (relatively) way off the pace in Q3. Alonso seems to be suggesting this was down to foul play, and although I'd be surprised if it was, the FIA are keeping an eye on it.

IIRC, FA didn't go slower, LH went quicker?

If LH wins the world championship it will be claimed that it was down to Mclaren bias, cheating etc....

If the Spantard wins it will because he has overcome insurmountable odds and Mclaren bias, proving he is in a class of his own.

[coetzeeh]

jamieboy said:

Piglet said:

jamieboy said:

In China, I seem to remember Alonso being quicker than LH in Q1 and Q2, then (relatively) way off the pace in Q3. Alonso seems to be suggesting this was down to foul play, and although I'd be surprised if it was, the FIA are keeping an eye on it.

IIRC, FA didn't go slower, LH went quicker?

Whichever, I think FA went slower than he expected to, and the FIA is only trying to ensure that it was just due to lack of talent, rather than compromised equipment.

I think FA suggested his tyres had been over inflated hence being 0.6 sec slower than LH in Q3.

[motormania]

_Batty_ said:

you know, some days i wish they'd just step back, and have a look at how they've (Max, the Spantard and Ferrari international assistance) ruined the best season in decades.
pathetic.

Me thinks you are wearing rose-tinted glasses because you have forgotten to add to that list Mike, Nigel and Ron himself who can not come out of this season whiter than white, despite all the dramatic crocodile tears he's been using this year...

he's as ruthless as the next guy

[jamieboy]

jesusbuiltmycar said:

If LH wins the world championship it will be claimed that it was down to Mclaren bias, cheating etc....

If the Spantard wins it will because he has overcome insurmountable odds and Mclaren bias, proving he is in a class of his own.

If LH wins, he won't just have beaten his double-world-champion team-mate, he'll have overcome the dark forces of the FIA, and Ferrari (who 'everyone knows' were probably running a 5.0 litre V10 for most of the season or some such)

If Alonso wins, it was a present from the FIA for letting them get a few punches in on Saint Ron of Woking.

Edited by jamieboy on Thursday 11th October 13:14

[megy]

IIRC some teams in the past will run developement components on one car, and retain the existing components on the other, this has never been classed as cheating or providing an unfair advantage before, I also seem to rememeber that last year Alonso was given a newer spec race engine over and above the one Fisi was running, as well as having been given newer and better suspension parts in several races.