Brazilian GP 2007 - spoilers
Discussion
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
flemke said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
mikee boy said:
Flemke
Actually, I sat there in disbelief watching both tyre mistakes. Proper disbelief. And I knew they were making a mistake, whilst sat thousands of miles away at home. Maybe I was lucky, but I KNEW they were terrible decisions at the time and the repurcussions were immense on both occasions. No other top team made stupid mistakes like those which is why I consider the decision-makers inside and outide the car to have acted like clowns, throwing away the title and driver's championships.
I'll just say this, mikee, and you will take it as you will; I mean no disrespect at all.Actually, I sat there in disbelief watching both tyre mistakes. Proper disbelief. And I knew they were making a mistake, whilst sat thousands of miles away at home. Maybe I was lucky, but I KNEW they were terrible decisions at the time and the repurcussions were immense on both occasions. No other top team made stupid mistakes like those which is why I consider the decision-makers inside and outide the car to have acted like clowns, throwing away the title and driver's championships.
If you had ever been in a position where you were amongst the absolute best in the world at what you did, you probably would have been aware of the utterly massive, nearly inconceivable gap between the sophistication and subtlety of the art that you and your peers practised and the conventional wisdom of the enthusiastic amateurs, interested bystanders and dedicated media who had their own opinions.
It seems that you have not yet been in that position, although you may well be in future.
As I say, I mean no disrespect at all, but we punters, even those who have followed F1 for decades and who have our own racing experience, are pretty close to being clueless as to what goes on at the very sharp end.
If you have not had the chance to do so, I would recomment that you read the two WMSC transcripts, in which McLaren engineer Paddy Lowe explains reality to and defends himself from Nigel Tozzi, QC (Ferrari brief) and Max Mosley (trained barrister). When you see how well this guy - who is "only" an engineer - takes on two professional wordsmiths and debaters and beats them at their own game, you will appreciate how deeply clever he is.
Some of McLaren's decisions didn't work out. It is just plain stupid, however, to say that the people who made these decisions are "clowns".
Cheers.
flemke said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
Someone else suggested that his father was so crucial to his performance and I merely pose the question. If he cannot perform without him then perhaps he is not all that people think he is?
I would like to see how well he does "on his own" in the same way that all of those you mentioned have done.
Just stimulating a little debate.
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Come off it his father worked 2 jobs to pay for his sons carting and now his son is repaying his fathers commitment end of story , i remeber when Button came on the scene you lot were all on about Buttons Pikey Father Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
What is the problem with his Father attending races
Strangely Brown said:
flemke said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
Someone else suggested that his father was so crucial to his performance and I merely pose the question. If he cannot perform without him then perhaps he is not all that people think he is?
I would like to see how well he does "on his own" in the same way that all of those you mentioned have done.
Just stimulating a little debate.
FWIW I think he'd get by just fine if Anthony wasn't around, but IMHO AH is part of the team - the Hamilton team. I dont really see whats wrong with that.
Edited by trackdemon on Monday 22 October 18:22
Marki said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Come off it his father worked 2 jobs to pay for his sons carting and now his son is repaying his fathers commitment end of story , i remeber when Button came on the scene you lot were all on about Buttons Pikey Father Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
What is the problem with his Father attending races
Edited by Strangely Brown on Monday 22 October 18:18
flemke said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP). Lewis has chosen his dad, it's not his fault ITV F1 want to interview him all the time. The fact that Anthony can give good interviews and talk sensibly has just meant in the talent vacuum that is ITV F1 they have found someone who doesn't say stupid things and have latched onto him.
Strangely Brown said:
Read what I said rather than what you THINK I said. I am merely asking a question in response to what someone else suggested, that is all. I really don't care whether he is there or not and he is not part of the McLaren team.
I did read what you said But he is part of Team Hamilton
FourWheelDrift said:
SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP).
Well duh! Thanks for telling me I didn't know that 
As I said, I don't really care whether he is there or not.
Marki said:
Strangely Brown said:
Read what I said rather than what you THINK I said. I am merely asking a question in response to what someone else suggested, that is all. I really don't care whether he is there or not and he is not part of the McLaren team.
I did read what you said Marki said:
But he is part of Team Hamilton
OK... but I still don't care. 
flemke said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
I collect water bottles, fill them up and run team members to and from the matches if needed. I am not an emotional crutch to my son. We go because it gives us a great thrill to see him playing a sport he loves and is good at. Because of poor pay in the police service, I used to work all hours when my youngest two were growing up and I now realise I missed so much. So I go to the rugby matches for the same reason, I assume, Mr H goes to the GP. He enjoys it and enjoys being with his lad. Good on him. I'm glad he's not making the same mistake as I did when I was younger.
Sooner or later I am sure that my son will prefer me not to be quite so close to him and probably LH will feel the same about his dad but, until then, you get in shot Mr H. You be as close to your son as you can get. Enjoy it while you can. Nothing lasts.
Strangely Brown said:
FourWheelDrift said:
SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP).
Well duh! Thanks for telling me I didn't know that As I said, I don't really care whether he is there or not.
Marki said:
Strangely Brown said:
As I said, I don't really care whether he is there or not.
Then shut up moaning about him then FourWheelDrift said:
Strangely Brown said:
FourWheelDrift said:
SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP).
Well duh! Thanks for telling me I didn't know that As I said, I don't really care whether he is there or not.
Does anyone bother to read anything round here or do you all just bash away with your brains in neutral?
FourWheelDrift said:
flemke said:
Strangely Brown said:
I get it just fine thank you.
Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?
SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP). Lewis has chosen his dad, it's not his fault ITV F1 want to interview him all the time. The fact that Anthony can give good interviews and talk sensibly has just meant in the talent vacuum that is ITV F1 they have found someone who doesn't say stupid things and have latched onto him.
Yet within McLaren he was infamous for the dozens of friends and family he tried to bring to every race, clogging up the paddock and distracting him all weekend.
Hamilton brings his dad and, sometimes, his brother, and people are giving him flak for it. Unbelievable.
Strangely Brown said:
Marki said:
Strangely Brown said:
As I said, I don't really care whether he is there or not.
Then shut up moaning about him then 
i better put some water on my reel the speed at which you are pulling line it needs cooling down 
jon- said:
FourWheelDrift said:
jon- said:
Not sure if this has been posted already but the latest rumour is lewis activated the start procedure causing the gearbox to default.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.p...
Again, sorry if it's already been posted.
I don't think a start procedure would case a lack of forward drive since forward drive is a very important part of the start.http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.p...
Again, sorry if it's already been posted.
I'm not saying it happened, just that you can't dismiss it because you don't know how an F1 car works.
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