Brazilian GP 2007 - spoilers

[stew-S160]

SB- seriously, whats with the hostility? were you neglected by your father as a child? take a seat and tell me all about it and we will see what we can do about the pent up aggression inside of you.

[s.m.h.]

sjn2004 said:

jon- said:

FourWheelDrift said:

jon- said:

Not sure if this has been posted already but the latest rumour is lewis activated the start procedure causing the gearbox to default.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.p...

Again, sorry if it's already been posted.

I don't think a start procedure would case a lack of forward drive since forward drive is a very important part of the start.

Now you're just being awkward on purpose. The most important part of the start procedure would be a clutched first, you know, so the car didn't go anywhere before the lights change. As it's a hand clutch you would assume the gearbox selects a double neutral before allowing the driver to select first. As we have no idea how a seamless shift box works, but we do know they are some of the most complex bits of technology in f1 I think it's safe to believe the above is a real possibility.

I'm not saying it happened, just that you can't dismiss it because you don't know how an F1 car works.

I'm sure they'd leave a button "live" on the wheel that can be knocked and cause an instantaneous power loss.

If this is so they why was it reported in park ferme after qualifying the mechs were inspecting the box dur to Hamilton saying there was a problem?
Very easy to say operator error though with live telemetry they are able to say without a doubt whether the button was pressed.
I'd be very suprised if he did, its not the sort of mistake someone makes in a car theyre familiar with.

[tomTVR]

mystomachehurts said:

tomTVR said:

mystomachehurts said:

. Shit, why not tell Dennis to off home?

Because he runs the team, he needs to be there. My only issue with Anthony Hamilton is how much TV time he gets, his interviews are so boring.

Fine so bitch at the TV companies, don't suggest that Anthony shouldn't be at the meet, when evidently he has and probably still is so crucial to Lewis' sucess

Im not suggesting he shouldnt be at the meet. Maybe you are right its the TV companies fault as i dont remember old man button or old man schumacher getting much TV time. The guy just reads off a script, its the kind of language that you excpect to see in those self help books. 'pick yourself up and try again' 'we are happy not to win' blah blah blah. Why cant he say what he really thinks? I want him to say after Spa for exaple 'that clumsy tt Alonso wants punishing for forcing lewis off the road' Its all part of the sanitisation of F1.

[Strangely Brown]

stew-S160 said:

SB- seriously, whats with the hostility? were you neglected by your father as a child? take a seat and tell me all about it and we will see what we can do about the pent up aggression inside of you.

The only "hostility" is to the terminally stupid or deliberately obtuse knuckle draggers around here that insist on misreading what has been written.

Well jolly good luck to 'em I say. If they can have a discussion like that then bravo, I wish them well. I think I would get more sense from an English comprehension class full of 10 years olds.

Just for the record, so there is no misunderstanding...

• I don't care if LBH has his entire extended family there. It bothers me not one bit.

but...

• If others wish to suggest that his father is crucial to his performance/success then the question as to how he would perform without him there is a perfectly reasonable one.

I'm sure someone will still fail to understand.

Edited by Strangely Brown on Monday 22 October 20:53

[ferrisbueller]

flemke said:

FourWheelDrift said:

flemke said:

Strangely Brown said:

I get it just fine thank you.

Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.

When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?

Or Wili Weber surgically attached to Shoemaker Snr.



SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP). Lewis has chosen his dad, it's not his fault ITV F1 want to interview him all the time. The fact that Anthony can give good interviews and talk sensibly has just meant in the talent vacuum that is ITV F1 they have found someone who doesn't say stupid things and have latched onto him.

Montoya had a reputation of being an independent hard man who didn't take shit from anyone.
Yet within McLaren he was infamous for the dozens of friends and family he tried to bring to every race, clogging up the paddock and distracting him all weekend.
Hamilton brings his dad and, sometimes, his brother, and people are giving him flak for it. Unbelievable.

Why the shouldn't he be able to bring his Dad, brother or whomever he wants to? More over, why wouldn't he? It seems entirely normal and reasonable to me.

[Rocky Balboa]

Strangely Brown said:

stew-S160 said:

SB- seriously, whats with the hostility? were you neglected by your father as a child? take a seat and tell me all about it and we will see what we can do about the pent up aggression inside of you.

The only "hostility" is to the terminally stupid or deliberately obtuse knuckle draggers around here that insist on misreading what has been written.

Well jolly good luck to 'em I say. If they can have a discussion like that then bravo, I wish them well. I think I would get more sense from an English comprehension class full of 10 years olds.

Just for the record, so there is no misunderstanding...

• I don't care if LBH has his entire extended family there. It bothers me not one bit.

but...

• If others wish to suggest that his father is crucial to his performance/success then the question as to how he would perform without him there is a perfectly reasonable one.

I'm sure someone will still fail to understand.

Edited by Strangely Brown on Monday 22 October 20:53

Calm down dear!

[flemke]

ferrisbueller said:

flemke said:

FourWheelDrift said:

flemke said:

Strangely Brown said:

I get it just fine thank you.

Anthony Hamilton is not part of the team and if Lewis cannot perform without the emotional crutch of his father being there then he is perhaps not mature enough to be where he is.

When Senna brought his girlfriend to a race, was that because she was an "emotional crutch"?
Was Helen Stewart an emotional crutch, or Nina Rindt, or Bette Hill?

Or Wili Weber surgically attached to Shoemaker Snr.



SB - I think it is in most drivers contracts to allow at least one of their own entourage to be present in the pits as long as they don't touch things (notice girlfriends, a parent, manager or friend in all pits in F1 and MotoGP). Lewis has chosen his dad, it's not his fault ITV F1 want to interview him all the time. The fact that Anthony can give good interviews and talk sensibly has just meant in the talent vacuum that is ITV F1 they have found someone who doesn't say stupid things and have latched onto him.

Montoya had a reputation of being an independent hard man who didn't take shit from anyone.
Yet within McLaren he was infamous for the dozens of friends and family he tried to bring to every race, clogging up the paddock and distracting him all weekend.
Hamilton brings his dad and, sometimes, his brother, and people are giving him flak for it. Unbelievable.

Why the shouldn't he be able to bring his Dad, brother or whomever he wants to? More over, why wouldn't he? It seems entirely normal and reasonable to me.

I made no suggestion that he should not have done (although in this case the sheer numbers of people involved were creating a genuine logistical problem).

As with yourself, Ferris, I couldn't care less whether a driver is on his own or with a cast of thousands.

My comment was aimed at the pejorative remark that Hamilton was using his father as an "emotional crutch", which struck me as being cheap shot which someone took in what I hope was a moment of madness.

[ferrisbueller]

flemke said:

pejorative

I do hope I'm not the only one reaching for the dictionary at this point!!

[johnfm]

flemke said:

mikee boy said:

Flemke

I would recomment that you read the two WMSC transcripts, in which McLaren engineer Paddy Lowe explains reality to and defends himself from Nigel Tozzi, QC (Ferrari brief) and Max Mosley (trained barrister). When you see how well this guy - who is "only" an engineer - takes on two professional wordsmiths and debaters and beats them at their own game, you will appreciate how deeply clever he is.



Cheers.

Just read some of the WMSC transcript. A good read. Does Mosely work for Ferrari??

[flemke]

johnfm said:

flemke said:

mikee boy said:

Flemke...

I would recomment that you read the two WMSC transcripts, in which McLaren engineer Paddy Lowe explains reality to and defends himself from Nigel Tozzi, QC (Ferrari brief) and Max Mosley (trained barrister). When you see how well this guy - who is "only" an engineer - takes on two professional wordsmiths and debaters and beats them at their own game, you will appreciate how deeply clever he is.



Cheers.

Just read some of the WMSC transcript. A good read. Does Mosely work for Ferrari??

(I think you meant to post as above, John.)

The FIA Presidency is an unsalaried post. One is left to speculate what may be the sources of an FIA President's income.

In the "spying" case, I myself think that the way it was handled had less to do with the fact that Ferrari were the complainant (although that factor was certainly alive) and more to do with the fact that the accused were McLaren, whose team principal and living symbol has challenged the FIA on many occasions.

[johnfm]

Are there transcripts online re: the Ferrari floor from the Australian GP? Love to read those.

[MikeyC]

sjn2004 said:

jon- said:

FourWheelDrift said:

jon- said:

Not sure if this has been posted already but the latest rumour is lewis activated the start procedure causing the gearbox to default.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.p...

Again, sorry if it's already been posted.

I don't think a start procedure would case a lack of forward drive since forward drive is a very important part of the start.

Now you're just being awkward on purpose. The most important part of the start procedure would be a clutched first, you know, so the car didn't go anywhere before the lights change. As it's a hand clutch you would assume the gearbox selects a double neutral before allowing the driver to select first. As we have no idea how a seamless shift box works, but we do know they are some of the most complex bits of technology in f1 I think it's safe to believe the above is a real possibility.

I'm not saying it happened, just that you can't dismiss it because you don't know how an F1 car works.

I'm sure they'd leave a button "live" on the wheel that can be knocked and cause an instantaneous power loss.

apparantly this is what happened - he hit the start-grid sequence button causing loss of drive

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...

[flemke]

johnfm said:

Are there transcripts online re: the Ferrari floor from the Australian GP? Love to read those.

There was no hearing, so there are no transcripts.

At the time, somewhere I saw a copy of the page, including the engineer's drawing, that McLaren submitted to the FIA. It may have been in Autosport, either the mag or the website.

You will find references to the McLaren submission in the two WMSC hearings on the "spying" allegations.
You will also find references to the design itself, and how Stepney claims to have alerted the FIA about it, in his letter to Mosley, which was published about a fortnight ago.

[johnfm]

Cheers Flemke

[jules_s]

Lets face it....

At the moment there is 'team McLaren' and 'team Hamilton'

Team hamilton are playing by team McLarens rules at the moment because they are privileged to be where they are. IE rookies in a top team that have taken them to where they are.

When 'team Hamilton' become bigger than McLaren (not that far off IMO) daddy Hamilton will be spouting all sorts of crap against 'The team' when things go wrong.

As an aside, does anybody here (over the age of 22) take their dad to work with them? and if they do, would they be happy with a parent making so many TV appearances on their behalf?

I wouldn't....I would be mortified.

[Mattygooner]

SB are you a long lost member of the Hamilton family? cast out away from the guidance and love of Anthony Hamilton, denied a carear in karting, racing etc? Your insufferable attacks on Lewis and his father are really bordering on the disgraceful.

Do you have something against the Hamiltons? do you think that Lewis does not deserve to be where he is in formula 1? if not why? Is it the way he is portrayed in the media? are you just a Ferrari fanboy who hates everything Silver? (no shame in that i hate everything Spurs:-)

Ope your damn eyes all of you, what did you think the British press are going to do? ignore his tallent? his rags to riches story? just say oh it's another typical British faliure lets mention him a few times in the paper when the football is not on. What did you think ITV were going to do, get overjoyed about Jensen's Honda going postal on it's self or marvel at Davidson getting in the top ten occasionally or even delight with Coulthards "Almost" ability to succeed. All the brits are great and deserv better but did you think they were going to ignore the first ever black driver in F1 from a single parent home (not a hoddie old person mugger like most the youf in GB) who worked his way up the rankings winning most in his path (sensationally in GP2) even telling Ron Denis on film that he will one day like to race for him only to bloody well go and do it, On Merit and talent not coz daddy knows Bernie and has an island off of spain. Jeez wake up and smell the 21st century media!! they take pictures of dead princesses in the back of cars for fooks sake, they ARE sensationalist and they will get behind a Brit out in the world representing his country and doing us all proud.

If you don't like it tough!! because he has a long and bright future in F1 ahead of him.

FYI, Anthony is his manager, if you look at old fottage of Jensen doing well you will notice ITV dragged his dad in the picture whenever possible, but only when he did well which is unfortunately not as often as lewis this year. You will also notice the ferrari or Renault pres ladies standing behind their drivers whenever they are being interviewed.

[flemke]

Why aren't we hearing an even greater chorus of complaints about Nico Rosberg, Nelsinho Piquet, Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, Greg Mansell and Henry Surtees, all of whose dads were both rich and very well connected to the levers of power within motorsport?

How odd that Lewis Hamilton, the one who has accomplished the most, after having started with the least, is the chosen target of invective.

[Strangely Brown]

Mattygooner said:

SB are you a long lost member of the Hamilton family? cast out away from the guidance and love of Anthony Hamilton, denied a carear in karting, racing etc? Your insufferable attacks on Lewis and his father are really bordering on the disgraceful.

Another one incapable of basic English comprehension.

Go away and read what I actually said, and not what you think I said.

[Strangely Brown]

flemke said:

Why aren't we hearing an even greater chorus of complaints about Nico Rosberg, Nelsinho Piquet, Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, Greg Mansell and Henry Surtees, all of whose dads were both rich and very well connected to the levers of power within motorsport?

How odd that Lewis Hamilton, the one who has accomplished the most, after having started with the least, is the chosen target of invective.

Not really. I don't recall any of the others being incessantly rammed down our throats and entire [online] communities falling over themselves to worship them as the second coming.

[Laird]

How sad that a father and son who have worked so hard to achieve so much can be reviled in such a manner purely because of the way the media portrays them.

Shameful stuff for a site supposedly populated by petrolheads and sports fans