Brazilian GP 2007 - spoilers

[Pooh]

Laird said:

How sad that a father and son who have worked so hard to achieve so much can be reviled in such a manner purely because of the way the media portrays them.

Shameful stuff for a site supposedly populated by petrolheads and sports fans

[SuperKartRacer]

flemke said:

Why aren't we hearing an even greater chorus of complaints about Nico Rosberg, Nelsinho Piquet, Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, Greg Mansell and Henry Surtees, all of whose dads were both rich and very well connected to the levers of power within motorsport?

How odd that Lewis Hamilton, the one who has accomplished the most, after having started with the least, is the chosen target of invective.

I'd like to see them drive that Macca, apart from Greg who is crap *and the Leo kid* ;-)

I've followed Lewis for years and knew the media in the UK would do this to him, he lost the title because the media put him under serious pressure.

If you read about Lewis and his love for his brother and the reason's he risks his life in racing, you may understand what drives this remarkable chap.

Sadly all this is lost in the media bullshite the UK suffer's from...

[Conian]

jules_s said:

When 'team Hamilton' become bigger than McLaren (not that far off IMO) daddy Hamilton will be spouting all sorts of crap against 'The team' when things go wrong.

I hadn't thought of that y'know. What happens in the future when McLaren make a duff car for a season, or go off the boil?

Slanging matches between Anthony Hammy and Ron Dennis?

[trackm3]

Strangely Brown said:

flemke said:

Why aren't we hearing an even greater chorus of complaints about Nico Rosberg, Nelsinho Piquet, Marco Andretti, Graham Rahal, Greg Mansell and Henry Surtees, all of whose dads were both rich and very well connected to the levers of power within motorsport?

How odd that Lewis Hamilton, the one who has accomplished the most, after having started with the least, is the chosen target of invective.

Not really. I don't recall any of the others being incessantly rammed down our throats and entire [online] communities falling over themselves to worship them as the second coming.

i see a problem here, bad childhood, beaten at school ???, the simple thing is if you dont like him for no reason of his own, then turn the press OFF !

[Ecurie Ecosse]

Let me make clear from the outset that I am no fan of Hamilton, and the appearances by his father on ITV can be rather annoying.

However, I would put this down to being ITV's fault rather than his Dad's. His Dad is in a slightly difficult situation as the ITV cameras keep going up to him for interviews. If he pushed them away and said "No comment" he would be getting flack of a different kind.

His Dad chooses his words carefully, which is also rather annoying, but he is probably doing this as he is being careful about his son's career. Again, if he was walking around spouting his mouth off about Ron etc he would get a difference kind of flack.

Jense's Dad (who I think is great and acts exactly as I would if my son were an F1 driver) probably still attends races, but he gets no mention by the ITV glory hunters any more.

Keke Rosberg has also made a couple of appearances, but unfortunately ITV choose not to interview him that often.

Hell - even Eddie Irvine's mum and dad went to watch him at races.

[Marki]

Ecurie Ecosse said:

However, I would put this down to being ITV's fault rather than his Dad's.

Exactly , there are many guests and family members attending every race , but they only ever show Hamiltons Daddy

[motormania]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem is not Lewis, it is ITV. They are turning people off due to their continual shite they churn out about the kid.

Yes he's bloody quick, we can see that. We all know he's been employed by McLaren now for 12 years and that Ron hs invested over £5 million already for his pre-F1 career, so drop it.

Lets now just enjoy the racing please...

[Stuismyname]

jules_s said:

When 'team Hamilton' become bigger than McLaren (not that far off IMO) daddy Hamilton will be spouting all sorts of crap against 'The team' when things go wrong.

Yes, because there is a lot of precedent to suggest that is exactly what will happen. And let's face it - Anthony has been working for Lewis' career for over a decade now, and with McLaren for a large part of that. That sounds like a receipe for division and acrimony if ever I heard one. Or... maybe not.

jules_s said:

As an aside, does anybody here (over the age of 22) take their dad to work with them? and if they do, would they be happy with a parent making so many TV appearances on their behalf?

I wouldn't....I would be mortified.

No, but then I'm not a 22yr old F1 driver flying all over the world with no-one else around me that I know is absolutely, unquestioningly on my side.

And perhaps, as regards your second sentence, this is why AH makes fairly bland, positive statements to the media.

[rubystone]

motormania said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem is not Lewis, it is ITV. They are turning people off due to their continual shite they churn out about the kid.

Yes he's bloody quick, we can see that. We all know he's been employed by McLaren now for 12 years and that Ron hs invested over £5 million already for his pre-F1 career, so drop it.

Lets now just enjoy the racing please...

Let's face it, this is what sells print and advertising. That's why we have 11 2 minute ad breaks in F1 and why Britney Spears ugly mug is always on the front of The Sun. The media build them up and the media knock them down.

I hate ITV's Lewis fawning, just as I detested their Jenson fawning too. But I can see through that crap and what I see is an immensely talented, levelheaded and enthusiastic lad who is doing just what he wants to do - driving the wheels off that McLaren and boy, is he fantastic at doing that.

Kimi is too, by the way...lest I be accused of a McLaren bias here

[Heebeegeetee]

tomTVR said:

My only issue with Anthony Hamilton is how much TV time he gets, his interviews are so boring.

Blimey. "His interviews are boring". Well, that's an interesting statement. But compared to who, though? Who's interviews are more interesting?

Ryder and Blundell have never said two interesting words between them in their entire careers of commentating on motorsport. James Allen isn't much better, (though he's certainly not worse).

Kimi can send you into a coma before he's finished a sentence. In fact, a driver rarely has anything interesting to say. I was bemused by Jarno Trulli saying earlier in the season "for sure eighth is a good place to start" when talking about his grid position. Eighth? What, better than 1st to seventh? What an amazing thing to say, i thought at the time.

In fact, if you told a driver to say a short piece but they weren't allowed to say "for sure" or "the car was good" I reckon they'd be totally stymied.
Alonso is good to listen to i reckon, as is Massa. Schumacher was too, imo. Earlier in the season we had a snippet from Niki Lauda, who in 30 secs explained clearly and precisely why the Ferraris had qualified where they had, which Ryder and Blundell couldn't do in an hour.

But I reckon Anthony Hamiltons piece to the media in the aftermath in Brazil was one of the finest little speeches i think i've ever heard in 30 odd years of watching the sport. I thought it was a wonderful thing to say, and you have to remember he's an ordinary guy, he's anot a sportsman himself, nor any form of media savvy superstar in any way at all. That came from his heart, and to me it displayed precisely where he and his son are coming from, and why they've achieved what they have. I thought it was fantastic, and Mr Hamilton really went up in my esteem, and i already thought very highly indeed of him.

So, apart from Niki Lauda, (I would dearly love to hear his commentaries), I can't think of anyone much more interesting to listen to inb the world of F1, tbh.

(Oh - would also dearly love to hear more from Jean Todt. He's a highly intelligent man and i'd like to hear his version of a good few events, as a different perspective from the Brit media.)

[s3200h]

MikeyC said:

sjn2004 said:

jon- said:

FourWheelDrift said:

jon- said:

Not sure if this has been posted already but the latest rumour is lewis activated the start procedure causing the gearbox to default.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.p...

Again, sorry if it's already been posted.

I don't think a start procedure would case a lack of forward drive since forward drive is a very important part of the start.

Now you're just being awkward on purpose. The most important part of the start procedure would be a clutched first, you know, so the car didn't go anywhere before the lights change. As it's a hand clutch you would assume the gearbox selects a double neutral before allowing the driver to select first. As we have no idea how a seamless shift box works, but we do know they are some of the most complex bits of technology in f1 I think it's safe to believe the above is a real possibility.

I'm not saying it happened, just that you can't dismiss it because you don't know how an F1 car works.

I'm sure they'd leave a button "live" on the wheel that can be knocked and cause an instantaneous power loss.

apparantly this is what happened - he hit the start-grid sequence button causing loss of drive

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...

are we really supposed to believe this

[5.0%]

Conian said:

jules_s said:

When 'team Hamilton' become bigger than McLaren (not that far off IMO) daddy Hamilton will be spouting all sorts of crap against 'The team' when things go wrong.

I hadn't thought of that y'know. What happens in the future when McLaren make a duff car for a season, or go off the boil?

Slanging matches between Anthony Hammy and Ron Dennis?

McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso and after they take all the Ferrari IP out of the car. Just as they were in the year before they got Alonso.

[Marki]

[quote=5.0%]McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso
[/quote]


What a cock

[s.m.h.]

Marki said:

[quote=5.0%]McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso

What a cock

Funny that seeing the spantard finished behind LH......
FFS its the guys first year in F1, as long as the Mc is capable of winning next year, that kid will do well.

[jacobyte]

5.0pc said:

McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso and after they take all the Ferrari IP out of the car.

Wow, is there Ferrari IP in the McLaren car? You must have a very good source. Please tell me which parts are Ferrari, as neither the FIA nor Ferrari themselves are able to identify anything.


(Sorry eveyone, for feeding the troll)

[Heebeegeetee]

[quote=5.0%]
McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso and after they take all the Ferrari IP out of the car. Just as they were in the year before they got Alonso.
[/quote]

I worry about what will happen without Alonso, but we'll see. There's no worry over any ferrari IP - the '07 car would have been near to finalisation probably little over half way through '06. The only time Mac could use their ferrari info would be for the '08 car, but as they've been caught they can't even do that. I understand that McLaren are holding open house soon, to anyone who wants to come and show them where the Ferrari IP is.

Earlier in the season Jean Todt said that Hamilton should be grateful to them because of the speed he'd had from using Ferrari technology. I thought that a contentious statement, given that that he has been beating the cars that are 100% Ferrari all season long.

Well, almost all season long.

[Marki]

jacobyte said:

(Sorry eveyone, for feeding the troll)

No No feed away i like seeing trols make a cock of them selves

[mikey_p]

s.m.h. said:

Marki said:

5.0 said:

McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso

What a cock

Funny that seeing the spantard finished behind LH......
FFS its the guys first year in F1, as long as the Mc is capable of winning next year, that kid will do well.

Dur. Did you not hear Alonso saying he bought 6 tenths to the team? If Alonso says it then it must be the truth. Him and the Ferrari data are the only reason McLaren were competitive this year, and the only reason Hamilton beat Alonso was because Ron read bed time stories to Lewis, and not Alonso. He was so poorly treated by his team, the poor little fellow. Oh well at least what ever team he goes to next year, even if Spyker, he will put them in pole. Alonso is the greatest.

[flemke]

5 per cent said:

McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso and after they take all the Ferrari IP out of the car. Just as they were in the year before they got Alonso.

Why am I reminded of Saddam Hussein's official spokesman, who insisted that the Iraqi army was defeating the Allies whilst, in the background, American tanks were rolling into Baghdad?

[Marki]

flemke said:

5 per cent said:

McLaren will be running third at best next year if they lose Alonso and after they take all the Ferrari IP out of the car. Just as they were in the year before they got Alonso.

Why am I reminded of Saddam Hussein's official spokesman, who insisted that the Iraqi army was defeating the Allies whilst, in the background, American tanks were rolling into Baghdad?

Baghdad Bob ,, oh my God hes back