Alonso will Leave McMerc - Patrick Head says
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He'll probably have to after he punts Hamilton off the track later today to deny him the Driver's Championship.
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Massa and Kimi will tangle and spin, finishing 3rd and 2nd respectively, and Schumacher will sneak past both to take the podium.
Dave
OK, I'll admit I'm being a bit silly suggesting RSC might win.....
He'll probably have to after he punts Hamilton off the track later today to deny him the Driver's Championship.
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Massa and Kimi will tangle and spin, finishing 3rd and 2nd respectively, and Schumacher will sneak past both to take the podium.
Dave
OK, I'll admit I'm being a bit silly suggesting RSC might win.....
I dont think that Alonso will leave at the end of the season.
Where is he going to go?
This year Alonso has had his problems at Mclaren and im sure that its not been as much fun as being at Renault. But... he is still in for a good shot for the championship and is in the most competitive car.
He is not in F1 to be nice to people and to make lots of friends, he is there purely to win and I still think he will stay at Mclaren as thats going to be his best chance to win the championship next year (he cant go to ferrari)
I wondr what would happen if Prodrive get the go ahead to run as the 22nd team. If Mclaren are running two identical teams (technically) might Alonso move over to prodrive. That way he gets the best car and number1 status in the team. But would he trust that the prodrive car was identical to the mclarens.. probably not.
Where is he going to go?
This year Alonso has had his problems at Mclaren and im sure that its not been as much fun as being at Renault. But... he is still in for a good shot for the championship and is in the most competitive car.
He is not in F1 to be nice to people and to make lots of friends, he is there purely to win and I still think he will stay at Mclaren as thats going to be his best chance to win the championship next year (he cant go to ferrari)
I wondr what would happen if Prodrive get the go ahead to run as the 22nd team. If Mclaren are running two identical teams (technically) might Alonso move over to prodrive. That way he gets the best car and number1 status in the team. But would he trust that the prodrive car was identical to the mclarens.. probably not.
Holst said:
I dont think that Alonso will leave at the end of the season.
Where is he going to go?
This year Alonso has had his problems at Mclaren and im sure that its not been as much fun as being at Renault. But... he is still in for a good shot for the championship and is in the most competitive car.
He is not in F1 to be nice to people and to make lots of friends, he is there purely to win and I still think he will stay at Mclaren as thats going to be his best chance to win the championship next year (he cant go to ferrari)
I wondr what would happen if Prodrive get the go ahead to run as the 22nd team. If Mclaren are running two identical teams (technically) might Alonso move over to prodrive. That way he gets the best car and number1 status in the team. But would he trust that the prodrive car was identical to the mclarens.. probably not.
I think good ol' Fernando has really shot himself in the foot this year, with his whining. He should have just got his head down and ground out a few more results. He's spent too much time looking at Hamilton this year and cost himself a couple of decent results because of that. Canada springs to mind, he was target fixated on the back of Hamilton's car and spun.Where is he going to go?
This year Alonso has had his problems at Mclaren and im sure that its not been as much fun as being at Renault. But... he is still in for a good shot for the championship and is in the most competitive car.
He is not in F1 to be nice to people and to make lots of friends, he is there purely to win and I still think he will stay at Mclaren as thats going to be his best chance to win the championship next year (he cant go to ferrari)
I wondr what would happen if Prodrive get the go ahead to run as the 22nd team. If Mclaren are running two identical teams (technically) might Alonso move over to prodrive. That way he gets the best car and number1 status in the team. But would he trust that the prodrive car was identical to the mclarens.. probably not.
As for next year, if Prodrive get the ruling over the concorde agreement, I don't see them taking him on. For one thing, I doubt they could afford him, but I don't see him wanting to take the chance of a brand new team being ready to launch a championship challenge in year #1.
I really think Alonso has talked himself out of winning another championship for at least a couple of years. He's always said he does not want to be in F1 forever, so could this be the last year we see him in the hunt for a championship? He can't stay at McLaren, probably. He can't go to Ferrari until 2009 at least. He's supposed to be going to Renault, but I don't see them being challengers for a couple of years, they will still have the same budget restrictions/uncertainty they had in 2005/6 that made Alonso leave in the first place. BMW or Toyota seem to be his best option, but I don't see Toyota pulling a winning car out of the hat in the next few years. BMW are pretty close, but would their management take the chance of taking on Alonso if they know the guy is going to complain about the team at the end of the year. He does have some previous for that.
It's going to be fun...
Hobbit123 said:
BMW or Toyota seem to be his best option, but I don't see Toyota pulling a winning car out of the hat in the next few years. BMW are pretty close, but would their management take the chance of taking on Alonso if they know the guy is going to complain about the team at the end of the year. He does have some previous for that.
It's going to be fun...
BMW have already renewed with Heidfeld and Kubica for 2008.It's going to be fun...
stephen300o said:
Alonso is just playing chicken with Ron is'nt ne?, neither want to pay the other to break the contract.
That's not the question.The question is whether it would be in the interests of either to break the contract.
The worst case for Dennis would be that he would have on his hands an immensely-talented, 26 year-old double champion who is motivated to prove that he is a better driver than his teammate.
Not a bad position to be in.
AJS- said:
Holst said:
I dont think that Alonso will leave at the end of the season.
Where is he going to go?
Not Williams by the sound of it.Where is he going to go?
I'd guess back to Renault. Briatore wouldn't say no, and either Fisi, or a upcoming GP2 driver like Piquet Jr would be ok with being number 2.
Will be very surprised if he says there. Have heard it will be a straight swap, Alonso for Kovalainen
Will Mercedes really allow McLaren to get rid of their best asset (Alonso)?
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
5 percent said:
Will Mercedes really allow McLaren to get rid of their best asset (Alonso)?
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
Er, no. They simply gave both drivers the same opportunities. The fact is that a rookie like Hamilton came in and give Alonso a run for his money. Next season, with a year's experience under his belt, Hamilton should be even better. Whereas Alonso has managed to I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
things up for himself by playing the prima donna.Edited by judas on Sunday 21st October 20:09
judas said:
[quote=5.0%]Will Mercedes really allow McLaren to get rid of their best asset (Alonso)?
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
Er, no. They simply gave both drivers the same opportunities. The fact is that a rookie like Hamilton came in and give Alonso a run for his money. Next season, with a year's experience under his belt, Hamilton should be even better. Whereas Alonso has managed to I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
things up for himself by playing the prima donna.5.0% is a bit over the top with excitment at the moment.
I don't think drivers get any faster through the years, they just get into faster cars, so he may have peaked too early.
Edited by stephen300o on Sunday 21st October 20:18
judas said:
5 percent said:
Will Mercedes really allow McLaren to get rid of their best asset (Alonso)?
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
Er, no. They simply gave both drivers the same opportunities. The fact is that a rookie like Hamilton came in and give Alonso a run for his money. Next season, with a year's experience under his belt, Hamilton should be even better. Whereas Alonso has managed to I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
things up for himself by playing the prima donna.Edited by judas on Sunday 21st October 20:09
Alonso is a double time WDC. He comes to teams and they win. He leaves and they lose.
He is the greatest current F1 driver.
Hamilton is just one of many very fast rookies, but he was lucky enough to get the best car. Something he is less likely to enjoy next year if Alonso goes.
stephen300o said:
5.0% is a bit over the top with excitment at the moment.
I don't think drivers get any faster through the years, they just get into faster cars, so he may have peaked too early.
Given his previous incarnations, 5.0% is always seeking attention with outrageous claims I don't think drivers get any faster through the years, they just get into faster cars, so he may have peaked too early.
Anyhow, Hamilton may not get faster but experience should lead to less mistakes and greater opportunities.
[quote=5.0%]Will Mercedes really allow McLaren to get rid of their best asset (Alonso)?
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
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If Alonso was the best driver in the world he would not have needed looking after!
I think that is very sad that Schumacher and now Alonso both feel/felt the need for so called No1 status.
Particularly in Schumachers case; he was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of talent, so why make yourself look less than you are by making your team mate act as a subordinate?
Beating drivers on the track is what makes a champion, not having No1 status off it, & Alonso simply didn't do that, end of story.
As for him being their best asset, I think you'll find that particularly title belongs to Lewis now, certainly in terms of commercial bankability.
I think there is a big shake up coming at McLaren after the management debacle this year.
Ron and co threw it away.
If they had looked after Alonso they would have wrapped up the season a few races ago.
Instead they went to war with the best driver in the world, whilst he was driving for them!!
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If Alonso was the best driver in the world he would not have needed looking after!
I think that is very sad that Schumacher and now Alonso both feel/felt the need for so called No1 status.
Particularly in Schumachers case; he was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of talent, so why make yourself look less than you are by making your team mate act as a subordinate?
Beating drivers on the track is what makes a champion, not having No1 status off it, & Alonso simply didn't do that, end of story.
As for him being their best asset, I think you'll find that particularly title belongs to Lewis now, certainly in terms of commercial bankability.
flemke said:
Hobbit123 said:
BMW or Toyota seem to be his best option, but I don't see Toyota pulling a winning car out of the hat in the next few years. BMW are pretty close, but would their management take the chance of taking on Alonso if they know the guy is going to complain about the team at the end of the year. He does have some previous for that.
It's going to be fun...
BMW have already renewed with Heidfeld and Kubica for 2008.It's going to be fun...
I get the feeling that Theissen is not the kind of guy that would go back on a contract, so I'm sure Heidfeld and Kubica are smiling about 2008.
I think over the next couple of years the BMW seats are going to be highly prized. If I was Alonso and I felt I couldn't stay at McLaren, I would be angling for a seat there with a view to a championship run in 2009. His only alternative is to stay in his current seat and fight for the chance to reign again. Is it a fight he wants within his own team though? I'm not sure.
I am sure that Hamilton is going to come back much stronger next year, be much more self reliant and not need (or want?) Alonso's set-up information. Not that he had it after the mid-point of the season anyway...
As for now, I'm going to sit here and watch the handbags and brickbats flying.
Where did I put that popcorn?
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Alonso is a double time WDC. He comes to teams and they win. He leaves and they lose.
He is the greatest current F1 driver.
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Rarely have I seen such a blinkered fanboy as you. It is quite nauseating the way you keep banging this drum.
He had the best car, and the best setup, and came third. Do you understand this? Hamilton had, at best, the same set-up as Alonso, and did not even have this at the end, and he has beaten Alonso over the course of a season.
Grow up, and face facts, please, and put on a new record. Your old one stinks of fish.
Alonso is a double time WDC. He comes to teams and they win. He leaves and they lose.
He is the greatest current F1 driver.
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Rarely have I seen such a blinkered fanboy as you. It is quite nauseating the way you keep banging this drum.
He had the best car, and the best setup, and came third. Do you understand this? Hamilton had, at best, the same set-up as Alonso, and did not even have this at the end, and he has beaten Alonso over the course of a season.
Grow up, and face facts, please, and put on a new record. Your old one stinks of fish.
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