That's it, the FIA have officialy lost it now.
Discussion
Fine, freeze engine development for 10 years, but at least make the switch to non-carbon polluting engines first (though you really would want engine development for that!)!
So after 2 years, when everyone has worked out which engine has the best powerful:reliable ratio, that means the rest get effectively kicked out of F1?
MM is insane! Probably the most non-institionalised madman ever to have walked the earth...
...or something is seriously missing from this story.
Isn't about time we put a petition together for MM termination... er, I mean resignation?
So after 2 years, when everyone has worked out which engine has the best powerful:reliable ratio, that means the rest get effectively kicked out of F1?
MM is insane! Probably the most non-institionalised madman ever to have walked the earth...
...or something is seriously missing from this story.
Isn't about time we put a petition together for MM termination... er, I mean resignation?
Edited by mattikake on Wednesday 24th October 16:35
I read something about this proposal the other day, and thought they would never be nuts enough to implement it. Guess I shouldn't be surprised with all that has gone on this year.
Much of the interest of F1 for me is the technical development side of things, to see what solutions can be arrived at for difficult engineering problems. This aspect has been steadily removed over time, and this is the latest example. The FIA must sooner or later realise that they can't control costs in they way they are trying to. Money not spent on developing new engines will just get spent on more computers and wind tunnel time. The big teams will still have an advantage over the small ones, except it all becomes much less interesting.
If they are worried about the ability of the smaller teams to compete, they could just make it part of the regulations that the larger teams have to supply engines to the smaller ones. There are plenty of other ways to do it, but the FIA seem to lack any sort of imagination. It seems like it is fast becoming a procession of advertising hoardings, with events off track more important than those on it.
Much of the interest of F1 for me is the technical development side of things, to see what solutions can be arrived at for difficult engineering problems. This aspect has been steadily removed over time, and this is the latest example. The FIA must sooner or later realise that they can't control costs in they way they are trying to. Money not spent on developing new engines will just get spent on more computers and wind tunnel time. The big teams will still have an advantage over the small ones, except it all becomes much less interesting.
If they are worried about the ability of the smaller teams to compete, they could just make it part of the regulations that the larger teams have to supply engines to the smaller ones. There are plenty of other ways to do it, but the FIA seem to lack any sort of imagination. It seems like it is fast becoming a procession of advertising hoardings, with events off track more important than those on it.
Madness....
All the teams are pushing for restrictions on aero.
All the teams are pushing for energy re generation devices.
So what does the FIA do? It delays the introduction of ERDs (which would have been able to help the sports green image & could have introduced a 'power boost' function for more overtaking)and introduces measures design to increase the reliance on aero.(Because if you can't get performance from the engine, where else are you going to get it from?) And what do all the teams agree is one of the most expensive costs in F1?
Lets see now, building and running wind tunnels 24/7. And what do most experts feel limits overtaking? Over reliance on complicated aero which also helps to make the cars look pig ugly.
Of course, this would have nothing to do with the fact that Mclaren & Red Bull have ERDs ready to go. My source at Mclaren said their system was ready to run about 4 years ago and that they were told to shelve it by the FIA becuase they were "sh1t scared of the performance advantage we would have". It was on the understanding that it could be introduced "when the time was right" Hmmmmm... Both Renault and Toyota are thought to be well advanced with development but Ferrari have never been linked to similar systems?
I haven't been a Ferrari conspiracy theorist in the past but the current FIA board of controllers seem now to be totally discredited with any view to keeping the sport fair and transparent. This is in no way an attempt to control costs in F1. Its an attempt to stifle competitive development and technogical advancement. If one was a conspiracy theorist, you could suggest that aero is a much simpler thing to keep an eye on than engine development and if one team came up with a revolutionary wing or splitter it would much easier to either ban or copy than an improvement to an engine, which might take you years to match or better. Why else in Le Mans racing are Peugeot so keen not to let anyone see the engine installation of the 907?
I would also guess that this is also tied into the now FIA standard TAG engine management system that Ferrari have been so unwilling to agree to. Maybe if the FIA push this engine rule through, Ferraris objections to the EMS will disappear. After all if, they are all using the same EMS and engine development is fixed then no one could illegally use Traction Control.......
unless of course some people have already run a system that would operate TC through the diff instead and are worried that the new EMS might discover this through throttle modulations and the like.....
All the teams are pushing for restrictions on aero.
All the teams are pushing for energy re generation devices.
So what does the FIA do? It delays the introduction of ERDs (which would have been able to help the sports green image & could have introduced a 'power boost' function for more overtaking)and introduces measures design to increase the reliance on aero.(Because if you can't get performance from the engine, where else are you going to get it from?) And what do all the teams agree is one of the most expensive costs in F1?
Lets see now, building and running wind tunnels 24/7. And what do most experts feel limits overtaking? Over reliance on complicated aero which also helps to make the cars look pig ugly.Of course, this would have nothing to do with the fact that Mclaren & Red Bull have ERDs ready to go. My source at Mclaren said their system was ready to run about 4 years ago and that they were told to shelve it by the FIA becuase they were "sh1t scared of the performance advantage we would have". It was on the understanding that it could be introduced "when the time was right" Hmmmmm... Both Renault and Toyota are thought to be well advanced with development but Ferrari have never been linked to similar systems?
I haven't been a Ferrari conspiracy theorist in the past but the current FIA board of controllers seem now to be totally discredited with any view to keeping the sport fair and transparent. This is in no way an attempt to control costs in F1. Its an attempt to stifle competitive development and technogical advancement. If one was a conspiracy theorist, you could suggest that aero is a much simpler thing to keep an eye on than engine development and if one team came up with a revolutionary wing or splitter it would much easier to either ban or copy than an improvement to an engine, which might take you years to match or better. Why else in Le Mans racing are Peugeot so keen not to let anyone see the engine installation of the 907?
I would also guess that this is also tied into the now FIA standard TAG engine management system that Ferrari have been so unwilling to agree to. Maybe if the FIA push this engine rule through, Ferraris objections to the EMS will disappear. After all if, they are all using the same EMS and engine development is fixed then no one could illegally use Traction Control.......
unless of course some people have already run a system that would operate TC through the diff instead and are worried that the new EMS might discover this through throttle modulations and the like.....
motormania said:
Goodbye F1...
hello A1GP
Sounds crazy, well imagine where F1 will be in 10 years time when all over forms of motorsport have developed???
...and all this crap that some like to throw in to the discussions about how F1 technology filters down to road cars, in 10 years time, road cars will be more technically advanced than F1 cars - now that is the real JOKE
MAX your a FECKING IDIOT
Every team in the pitlane are FECKING idoits to say yes to this ruling
Come on BBC, get the rights to show A1GP live on the box and let's see how long F1 sticks to this crazy rule...
F1 the pinnacle of motorsport - FECKING JOKE!!!
^^^ are you reading my mind???!!!! I couldn't have put it better myself^^^hello A1GP
Sounds crazy, well imagine where F1 will be in 10 years time when all over forms of motorsport have developed???
...and all this crap that some like to throw in to the discussions about how F1 technology filters down to road cars, in 10 years time, road cars will be more technically advanced than F1 cars - now that is the real JOKE
MAX your a FECKING IDIOT
Every team in the pitlane are FECKING idoits to say yes to this ruling
Come on BBC, get the rights to show A1GP live on the box and let's see how long F1 sticks to this crazy rule...
F1 the pinnacle of motorsport - FECKING JOKE!!!
We all know that motor car manufacturers are developing new ways to power our cars, what better way to showcase this fast moving technology than in F1.
Oh I forgot, Max wants to save money, so he's asking all teams to stop development in engines, and spend all those extra Millions on wind tunnels being staffed around the clock - now that will look good to the envrionmental groups won't it Max?
Just looked up Max Mosley in a dictionary, it says refer to CATEGORY 1 PRICK
Oh I forgot, Max wants to save money, so he's asking all teams to stop development in engines, and spend all those extra Millions on wind tunnels being staffed around the clock - now that will look good to the envrionmental groups won't it Max?
Just looked up Max Mosley in a dictionary, it says refer to CATEGORY 1 PRICK
Is that right what you said?
the engine freeze was supposed to start this year (2007) but it didn't ..
presumably because FERRARI weren't competative enough but NOW they win the title FREEZE the engines straight away..
lol you couldn't have written that in a satirical comedy script and expect people to find it plausible..
The FIA ...
you gotta love em
Did you know in Italy its just been announced that the Mafia are again the biggest controller of commercial intesrest..
I reckon Max just doesn't fancy concrete boots so he is playing the patsy till the bitter end.
the engine freeze was supposed to start this year (2007) but it didn't ..
presumably because FERRARI weren't competative enough but NOW they win the title FREEZE the engines straight away..
lol you couldn't have written that in a satirical comedy script and expect people to find it plausible..
The FIA ...
you gotta love em
Did you know in Italy its just been announced that the Mafia are again the biggest controller of commercial intesrest..
I reckon Max just doesn't fancy concrete boots so he is playing the patsy till the bitter end.
Just a quickie....
It has just been announced that the contract for the lighting needed for the Singapore race has been given to an Italian company....
Anybody want to take a bet that if non red coloured cars aren't leading 20 laps in, the lights will mysteriously fail......
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/156399-0/n...
It has just been announced that the contract for the lighting needed for the Singapore race has been given to an Italian company....
Anybody want to take a bet that if non red coloured cars aren't leading 20 laps in, the lights will mysteriously fail......
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/156399-0/n...
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Wednesday 24th October 21:17
The Hypno-Toad said:
Just a quickie....
It has just been announced that the contract for the lighting needed for the Singapore race has been given to an Italian company....
Anybody want to take a bet that if non red coloured cars aren't leading 20 laps in, the lights will mysteriously fail......
It has just been announced that the contract for the lighting needed for the Singapore race has been given to an Italian company....
Anybody want to take a bet that if non red coloured cars aren't leading 20 laps in, the lights will mysteriously fail......
The Hypno-Toad said:
Just a quickie....
It has just been announced that the contract for the lighting needed for the Singapore race has been given to an Italian company....
Anybody want to take a bet that if non red coloured cars aren't leading 20 laps in, the lights will mysteriously fail......
Italians.It has just been announced that the contract for the lighting needed for the Singapore race has been given to an Italian company....
Anybody want to take a bet that if non red coloured cars aren't leading 20 laps in, the lights will mysteriously fail......
When I was there last, everyone of them seem to have their fingers in somebody else's pie. I wonder how that happened?
Actually thinking about it and linking in to a comment made on another thread...
Wasn't it Singapore where all the betting cartels responsible for the lights going out at certain football grounds in the 90's based?
If you remember, they bet on the match being abandoned and then paid off the groundsman to flick the switch.
Could be worth a peeky chunt...
Wasn't it Singapore where all the betting cartels responsible for the lights going out at certain football grounds in the 90's based?
If you remember, they bet on the match being abandoned and then paid off the groundsman to flick the switch.
Could be worth a peeky chunt...
Its Mafia intervention I'll stake my concrete boots on it
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Edited by mark69sheer on Thursday 25th October 13:46
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